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  •  As a former teacher, I know there are those (22+ / 0-)

    in the profession who aren't very good teachers; in truth, some aren't worth a shit.  But to fire every single teacher in a system? It's difficult for me to believe such a drastic measure is justifiable. Maybe they had to do it that way to protect themselves legally.

    And yes, teachers are scapegoats, have been for a long time.

    •  As there are in every other profession (5+ / 0-)

      Not being an outstanding performer is not the same as being incompetent. Half of everyone is below the median in performance. While every parent wants to think that his child should have world-class teachers, obviously there aren't that many world-class teachers. What makes people so sure that they'll be able to fire people at the rate they want to and find better people to replace them with?

      In business, when you have a department or a site that's under-performing, you don't fire everyone - you bring in new management, or maybe get rid of specific individuals who are doing poor jobs. There is no indication here of an effort to evaluate individuals.

      Why is the federal government pushing this? Are teachers' working hours really an issue for them to be involved in? Is it really their business to be pushing mass firings? Is there really an evidence that this will turn out well?

      It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man. --H.L. Mencken

      by denise b on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 03:25:55 PM PST

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      •  I find myself wondering if teachers will line up (4+ / 0-)

        to apply at a school where the entire faculty was summarily fired.  I mean, it doesn't seem like a place with much job security to offer, IMO, anyway.

        •  There's no support for teachers, or those teacher (3+ / 0-)

          I think even beyond the question of job security is the question of support for teachers in this community. It sounds like there isn't any. Who's to say that a new batch of teachers will get any more support from the community? I mean, firing teachers for kids not learning is like the parents and community and teachers all in the same boat, and the parents and community are telling the teachers that their end is sinking. Many parents do not like to hear about how much responsibility they have to take, and that's just not going to change with a new batch of teachers.

          Californians: The Courage Campaign is working for changing the 2/3 budget rule and for ending Prop 8. Go!

          by tmo on Wed Mar 03, 2010 at 06:21:21 PM PST

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