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  •  Naming names is bad politics... (5+ / 0-)

    Because it creates a huge re-election issue for incumbent Dems in purple states.  If they vote for it it could be used against them even if it doesn't pass and if they vote against it it will turn off their progressive support to a measurable extent.  

    Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

    by Jonze on Fri Mar 05, 2010 at 11:09:54 AM PST

    •  Practically though it could blow up the bill (4+ / 0-)

      The house doesn't have 218 votes for it.  Notice how many signed that letter.  That's only 120.  Now it's true there's probably a few who would vote for it, but if the Senate were to add it in, there is ZERO guarantee the House would be able to go along with it.

      What people forget is that we have to get people who voted no DESPITE THE PUBLIC OPTION.  Those are conservadems.  The bill is more important to pass. The public option can come later.

      •  Deaniac had a good piece on that yesterday (6+ / 0-)

        http://www.progressiveelectorate.com...

        Health reform is really near the finish line.  This is a critical juncture.  Yesterday, the President put his bold leadership on the line and gave it one big push.  Now, we need Democrats in the House and the Senate to push final reform through.  I say Democrats, because the Republicans have decided that obstructing is the only path they are willing to go down.  So it's on the majority party, the governing party.  The Democratic party.

        When the House last voted on health reform, the House progressives heroically did the right thing and voted for the bill despite its many imperfections.  Conservative Blue Dog Democrats, however, weren't in a cooperative mood.  97% (all but two) of the Progressive Caucus supported the House bill, while only 57% of Blue Dogs did the same.  23 members of the Bluedog Coalition voted NO on the House bill.

        •  A Good Piece? (2+ / 0-)
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          The first phrase you quote is pure fantasy: "Health reform is really near the finish line."

          What's close to the finish line is health insurance reform. Shitty, crappy "reform" in my opinion, but no one with any semblance of honesty is referring to the Senate bill as health reform. It's basically a health insurance bill (and, in my opinion, a piss poor one at that).

      •  Give me the name of ONE no vote in the House (4+ / 0-)

        that said they were opposed to the public option. Just one, dammit.

        “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

        by Jyrinx on Fri Mar 05, 2010 at 11:20:23 AM PST

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        •  Show me the 217 votes needed for the house bill (5+ / 0-)

          We don't have that anymore.  Wexler's gone, Cao's not voting for it, Murtha passed away, etc.  

          We couldn't pass the house bill again in the house today. That's how tough this is.

          But if you want a name, how about Bart Gordon, who didn't vote for the bill before but is willing to vote for it now.

          •  If we can't pass the bill in the House, (3+ / 0-)

            we're fucked anyway. Why not fight for something popular if we're going down?

            “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” — Emma Goldman

            by Jyrinx on Fri Mar 05, 2010 at 11:27:00 AM PST

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            •  Apparently, someone has convinced (4+ / 0-)
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              the powers that be that if we pass a bill that the Republicans pretend to hate and many Democrats and Independents really do not like, then it would be better than going down fighting for something that a majority of people - a mjority including Democrats, Independents and Republicans - like, they would be better off at the polls in the Fall.

              Compromise is taking on a whole new meaning in this era.  Used to be that most everyone got something that made them reasonably "happy", but these days, it seems, the objective is to make everyone unhappy - and for those that aren't really unhappy it is an added bonus that certain things get thrown in that the pretenders can complain about and find an audience to rally on the basis of unhappiness.

              Its all good.  This is 65th dimensional chess.  Just sit tight.  We will manage to take a pawn at some point.  Really.  We will.

          •  indeed (5+ / 0-)

            pelosi has lost wexler, murtha and one other.  so it's 217 counting on Gao, who is likely out.  then add to the mix the people whose knickers are atwist because they prefer stupak to nelson vs the opposite, then the venn diagram of the nelson over stupak contingent and public option alignment.  forget herding; pelosi is juggling cats at this point.

            People are upset Obama hasn't solved all the problems yet. C'mon, he's only been in office one year...the man went to Harvard, not Hogwarts. - Wanda Sykes

            by Cedwyn on Fri Mar 05, 2010 at 11:29:25 AM PST

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        •  Mike Ross (3+ / 0-)
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          "I have been skeptical about the public health insurance option from the beginning and used August to get feedback from you, my constituents," he wrote in a statement his office released publicly. "An overwhelming number of you oppose a government-run health insurance option, and it is your feedback that has led me to oppose the public option as well."

          •  Is that a democrat using the term (2+ / 0-)
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            "government-run?" No wonder his constituents don't want it. The health insurance companies and rethugs have spent the last year scaring Americans about "government-run" health care. The term "government-run" is like poison now.

            Please help StopRushLimbaugh. Because hate should not be profitable.

            by marabout40 on Fri Mar 05, 2010 at 11:42:00 AM PST

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