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  •  Rec'd for knowing the real meaning ... (12+ / 0-)

    ...of "enormity."

    I refuse to accept "no can do" as a proper slogan for progressives.

    by Meteor Blades on Fri Mar 05, 2010 at 09:29:26 PM PST

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    •  Corporate personhood effects everything else. (4+ / 0-)

      The fallout of Citizens United decision effects ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ELSE.

      The chance is remote but consider this request I posted to an OpenSecrets.org Facebook thread to see where I'm coming from.  

      The US CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, on that list above, outspends I think it's the RNC and DNC combined.  That's just the Chamber of Commerce.

      OpenSecrets and Center for Responsive Politics are respected across the board, as I perceive it, for keeping your presentation non-partisan.

      You at CRP need to help create a forum and an education medium and regular discussions through which the engaged public can become informed on issues that specifically bear upon and are borne upon by the Citizens United decision.

      There is NO OTHER issue that is more important to sustaining what is left of our democracy than whether and how we address changing the law, Amending the Constitution, and revising public policy on regulation of campaign finance reform JOINTLY with reform of the regulation of lobbying.

      I would ask that you design a regularly scheduled program, ASAP, that can be engaged by Americans (say weekly or biweekly) in order to become informed with the facts and their interpretations and through which we can inform the process of changing public policy.

      I'd assert that, although unlikely as it may seem, the amount of corporate money that can be brought to bear in one election is potentially enough to stack the deck after November such that the seat holders in public office at Federal and State levels could be enough to prevent any reform of the law that must be changed.

      If you consider what one industry did for half a century, the tobacco industry, and multiply that by the entire universe of industries, you understand the problem.

      There is enough corporate money that they potentially could prevent needed reforms for decades, starting with whom they -- the corporations -- elect this coming November.

      CRP is the organization with enough respect (hell, the tobacco industry has cited your numbers) to do such a thing.

      Please consider this.

      We get nowhere on Climate Change if, instead of flesh'n'blood control of the corporations, they win the coming November elections.

      adapting the world to himself...all progress depends on the unreasonable man
      -GB Shaw

      by luaptifer on Fri Mar 05, 2010 at 11:10:48 PM PST

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      •  The Citizens United ruling is (3+ / 0-)

        a result, not a cause.  The dilution of the importance of the natural person by assigning natural rights and functions to artificial creations has been going on a long time.  When you consider all sound waves to be speech, then the significance of human speech is watered down.  On the other hand, when you confine locomotion to a vehicle, then individual locomotion is easier to restrain--i.e. if you're not driving a car, you can't get from one side of the highway to the other; not even by walking along the interchange since pedestrian use of he highway is illegal.

        The natural person, the repository of human rights is a real thorn in he side of authoritarians, especially when there's no designated group on whom they can vent their animus without contradiction.  If no one group or individual can be dominated at will, then everyone's going to have to be somewhat deprived.

        Corporate personhood vitiates the importance of the natural person.

        http://www.youtube.com/cyprespond

        by hannah on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 04:37:22 AM PST

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        •  I'm with you on the cause-effect relationships (0+ / 0-)

          but the CU decision is where a very clear signal went out to the collective body of the 'corporate interest community'.

          It's somewhat analogous to what was done with 9/11.  Other single events have killed many more people than died in the WTCs that day (hell, we've killed many more as the result of it), but it stood as the singular event around which the WH and allied interests could rally any and all.

          Nonetheless, I don't want to get academic about it, maybe I should've used Citizens United in the subject instead of corporate personhood to sound an alarm of the potential fallout.

          adapting the world to himself...all progress depends on the unreasonable man
          -GB Shaw

          by luaptifer on Sat Mar 06, 2010 at 10:44:38 AM PST

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