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  •  Of course it does. (0+ / 0-)

    That's why, in a more extreme example, the Communists and Nazis worked together to destroy the Republic of Weimar in early 1930's Germany.

    Or why the political spectrum is often depicted like that, with the two extremes being closer to each other than to the middle.

    He's too far left for this country, so he ends up opposing mainstream liberal bills, and his voting record looks the same as that of a Blue Dog. Sure, he opposes the bills for other reasons, but I don't care about his feelings.

    I don't care about his feelings, I don't care about his principles, biography, personality, or about him. I care about how he votes. And he votes like a blue dog. Why he does that- I don't care. Of course it is because he is very liberal and not because he's a Conservadem. But why would I care? The result, the effect he's having on our lives, is the same as if a Blue Dog sat in the seat.

    There's no logical confusion on my side, but there's a misunderstanding on your side if you think that the political spectrum is a one-dimensional line.

    •  super dumb; please examine yr own writing b4 (0+ / 0-)

      you post this nonsense. One minute you're saying the Nazis and Communists collaborated--they may have voted up or down on some of the same bills in the Reichstag or something, but as the son of German survivors, Jewish and gentile, who has been reading about WWII and the Nazis all his life, I have never heard of this. (Please link to some sources!)

      The far-right loves this "socialists are Nazis" meme, but no one I know who harbors even a little bit of grey matter has ever bought into it. It's the kind of junk the State Dept pushed in the 1950s.

      Then you are saying Kucinich votes like a Blue Dog, which makes your extreme comparison look silly (Nazis! Commies! Horrors!). Kucinick EXPLAINS his votes. Thinking people can EXAMINE them. The option is YES or NO, sillypants! Wild insight: all the people who vote NO are the same person! All the people who vote YES are GOOD people!

      How my demanding that KOS (and you) examine the nuances before you decide that you "don't care if he's this, that, or the other thing" (Bravo! HIGHLY nuanced!) is one-dimensional is anyone's guess, but perhaps it requires a one-dimensional perspective to recognize one?

      Left and right are not a "spectrum," btw. They're a continuum. The Nazis were authoritarian creeps who deployed socialist ideas in the service of a far-right ideology.

      In the end, however, you're not going to use my or many progressives' $ to take down Kucinich when there are so many right-wing creeps to get first. It's just a dumb and unjustified fantasy. That was my fairly elemental--and quite justified--point.

      Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

      by Matthew Detroit on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 04:55:29 PM PST

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      •  Okay, Rasmus; I get it. Keep honing those chops. (0+ / 0-)

        It's actually very GOOD writing--if not reasoning--if English is not your first language. (T)chao for now.

        Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

        by Matthew Detroit on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 04:58:25 PM PST

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        •  BTW (and I'll be glad to let you have the last (0+ / 0-)

          word). . . but I don't think you EVER want to declare that you "don't care" what a politician's actual position(s) is/are on the issues. It's not likely to get you anywhere with anyone but the know-nothings in the Republican Party, let alone thoughtful people on a policy-oriented forum like this. Best. . .

          Let's let the pols do the selling out, you and I keep fighting for what's right.

          by Matthew Detroit on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 05:03:13 PM PST

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          •  The difference is that I don't care for the (0+ / 0-)

            Kabuki theatre around the votes. I do care how a politician votes. But I do not care if his feelings got hurt in the process, if he approached his voting decision from a rational or irrational basis, if he supports or opposes a bill from the left or from the right, et cetera.

            A lot of people on this 'policy-oriented forum' (LOL, look at the rec-list. Policy need not apply, meta only) are easily deceived by shallow rhetoric. That's how people like Eric Massa end up being netroots heros... they need to write a few diaries with attack-dog rhetoric and are treated like deities around here- while no one notices that their votes don't match their rhetoric.

      •  Well, I don't think socialists are Nazis or the (0+ / 0-)

        other way round. They share some common ideology on what to do on economical questions, but on social issues they couldn't be further apart.

        I could link you only to German sources, but I was referring both to KPD and NSDAP working together on obstructionist parliamentary procedures, and to KPD and NSDAP leadership working together on the organization of strikes- they had different interests (NSDAP wanted to break into the working-class vote, KPD wanted to eliminate the SPD's influence among union workers), but they did it.

        And in the end, the only actions of a Congressman that count, except for political junkies like us, are his votes. That's how he ends up effecting real lifes.
        And as a vote is a binary decision, the best reasoning doesn't make a difference between a liberal no and a conservative no.

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