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  •  I thought you'd be funnier than that. (3+ / 0-)
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    badger, conchita, Unduna

    Didn't you like the line about the pastels?

    Sheesh.  Tough crowd you are these days.

    •  Watching two groups here... (7+ / 0-)

      ... desperately trying to shove their thumbs into each others' eyes gets tiresome.

      My Jim Bunning is inflamed so I have been forced to use that toilet paper with the lanolin in it.

      by Bob Johnson on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 03:24:48 PM PST

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      •  Well, Bob, the reality is that (8+ / 0-)

        each of the groups is relevant, but neither is a panacea.  Right now, the centrist claim that they must moderate everything - most especially what they deem to be the "left".  Their enforcement of "moderate" policy has been anything but moderate and it has been impractical on a lot of fronts.

        I think that is worth talking about because if the Democratic Party is to actually govern effectively they will need to understand when moderation is appropriate and when they are required to step up to the plate and take bolder action.  We all make this decision daily in our own lives.  Most of us do not thow down the gauntlet every day, but most of us do not moderate as if it is the one and only way to live and survive.

        Some days we eat the whole sandwich and others we only eat half.  If we figure out how to use the factions of our coalition where they will shine rather than applying one or the other universally regardless of the situation we face, then we will have won more than half the battle.

        •  But it's not "either/or." (5+ / 0-)

          That's not what's going on here. The issue is way more complex than that.

          Yet, to read diaries like this and the rest of the self-righteous bloviating that filled the rec lists today, one would think we were right back to Dick Cheney days when every question had onlytwo side:

                      "You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists."

          Health care, out of any issue our elected officials are likely to tackle, has the most moving parts. Frankly, it's too complex for many folks to fully grasp, including many folks in Washington, apparently.

          So this constant back-and-forth between two camps here seems to me to be missing the point. We don't even discuss the issue any more. We just talk about who called who what name and what that name means. The discussion on "left," "centrist, "moderate," etc. has become more arcane than the legislation, itself. (Same goes for the "Obamabot-Lefty bomb-thrower" inanity.)

          All of these diaries become, essentially, Israeli-Palestinian diaries.

          Nothing is actually resolved, but plenty of personal epithets are hurled.

          Waste of time...

          My Jim Bunning is inflamed so I have been forced to use that toilet paper with the lanolin in it.

          by Bob Johnson on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 03:56:51 PM PST

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          •  I agree that it is not either or and I happen to (3+ / 0-)
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            think that the elbowing of all of the constituencies of the Democratic Party - and others - is not helpful at all.  I could have picked a different day to go after the self-righteous centerists who are bound and determined to have it their way in this party, but today was the day that this diary wrote itself.  Today was the day that I got tired of being told that anyone and everyone who didn't walk in a straight line exactly perfectly on that double yellow stripe is "ignorant", "useless", "unrealistic", etc.

            You know, Bob, it really is safer for a whole host of reasons to walk on either side of the railroad tracks - not down the middle.  The notion that the middle is the ONLY way is bullshit and countre-productive to solving real problems.

            Again, this goes back to actually governing as opposed to campaigning and placating.  There are real moments where the middle is the very best course, but it is not the one and only way every single time you face a challenge.  The world poses complex problems and the best of the best are flexible and smart about problem-solving.  Instead of putting the ideology first be it left, right or center - the solution to the problem should come first.  The meltdown you are seeing is a result of our leadership's inability to look at the problems and respond honestly with effective policy rather than ideology.  That's a problem.  Sorry.

            •  Got it. (2+ / 0-)
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              I have read your diary written by dozens of others today, all from the secure notion that each author was"right" and were sick of being told they were wrong by folks on the "other side."

              You all suck, in my humble opinion.

              Have at it. It's the Israeli-Palestinian diaries on a grand scale...

              My Jim Bunning is inflamed so I have been forced to use that toilet paper with the lanolin in it.

              by Bob Johnson on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 04:16:30 PM PST

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