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  •  Not if you look at your options in (2+ / 0-)
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    the context of practical applications.

    I doubt that you're driving in the middle of a windy road "just because" - that usually has to do with something being wron with one side or the other.  And you only take the middle in that case - take the risk - if it makes practical sense to do so.

    What we are seeing with some self-identified centrists and moderates amongst the political elite is an insistance on driving in the middle regardless of what the risk-reward proposition really is - and much of their particular form of political thought is based on relativism - not firmly held beliefs.

    That's different from your having particular views that might be considered more left or right depending on who you are spending time with at the moment.  The people that I am addressing don't have any firmly held beliefs.  They look at what you think and decide that their role is to moderate your ideals and desires.  They lack original thought.  They are utterly rootless and at the same time bound to fixed landmarks by their ideology.

    •  How do you know this? (0+ / 0-)

      That's different from your having particular views that might be considered more left or right depending on who you are spending time with at the moment.  The people that I am addressing don't have any firmly held beliefs.  They look at what you think and decide that their role is to moderate your ideals and desires.  They lack original thought.  They are utterly rootless and at the same time bound to fixed landmarks by their ideology.

      Are you psychic or is this just some straw man you've built up?

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      by VelvetElvis on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 04:11:48 PM PST

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      •  How do I know this? (5+ / 0-)

        Been watching Joe Lieberman, among others, for years.  These people are gaming the system to make themselves relevant.  They don't give a damn about moderation.  The only thing they really care about is being relevant and people buying into their definition of moderate certrism is critical to their relevance.

        •  I am sorry to but in but (0+ / 0-)

          grins always a but. I believe that getting what you want takes finding a middle ground to start from. I am not saying play dead but the line in the sand has gotten us no where. Look around. Do teabaggers annoy you? Ask if some, I am not saying you or anyone else, but some on the left doing the same thing. Sometimes it takes a voice of reason to keep both sides from screaming each other to death.

          I don't care what you do in your beds, just keep your hand out of my pocket.

          by the mom in the middle on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 04:35:31 PM PST

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          •  Sometimes it does take a voice of reason, but (3+ / 0-)
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            sometimes that voice of reason can be rooted on either side - the moderates are not the be all end all on everything.

            You can make your tea or coffee with luke warm water, but it won't be great tea or coffee.

            Life is not a simple middle of the road journey.  We are sometimes forced to pick a side and that's reality.  You see, the so-called "centrist" leaders are asking that you buy into an ideological package that requires that you moderate everything and that is not realistic.  You can't drive to San Francisco from New York if you stop half way in Memphis.  No matter how you spin it, you never got to SF if you didn't go past Memphis.

      •  She is not talking about principled actors. (2+ / 0-)
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        She talking (I believe) about those who rationalize their BS stance by calling themselves a holier-than-thou name which they essentially manufactured to cover their lame asses and inability to act with the veneer of moderation and sanity in an insanely demanding arena in which they are completely out of their moral depth.

        I think.

        "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

        by Unduna on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 05:34:05 PM PST

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      •  Like, for instance, (2+ / 0-)
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        corporatists, who need to cover their asses and don't much want to be called on their BS. They frequently duck for cover under "centrist".

        "In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder, a secret order." Carl Jung

        by Unduna on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 05:38:39 PM PST

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