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  •  Medicare for All: it makes too much sense (19+ / 0-)

    And as the song goes, congress will never do anything sensible:

    i . . . who took the money?
    who took the money away?
    i . . . it's always showtime
    here at the edge of the stage
    i, i, i, wake up and wonder
    what was the place, what was the name?
    we wanna wait, but here we go again.

    Talking Heads lyrics could be used to cover the entire congressional show, from "Stop Making Sense" to "Burning Down the House"- because the big money masters who run the show will NEVER do anything as sensible as Grayson's bill!

    Medicare for All, that is the REAL public option that only needs 50 votes + Biden.

    by MD patriot on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 06:31:08 AM PST

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    •  you forgot: (5+ / 0-)

      "Psycho Killer" - Cheney, et al
      "And She Was" - Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann
      others?

      The Republican Party will never die until there is a new political home for racists.

      by kamarvt on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 06:35:42 AM PST

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    •  being a retired former full-time activist... (23+ / 0-)

      ...I know how frustrating, painful and slow-slogging this process can be. Rep. Grayson is like a welcome breath of fresh air. However, they don't call legislating is like making sausage for nothing. Had I been in charge --and unfortunately finding public servants these days who can't be bought at any price by corporate interests these days, is very far and between-- I would've handled this HC reform a lot differently from the get-go. It's a lot easier said than done, when one is stuck on the outside looking in. The people haven't fully realized how much power that they really have right in the palm of their hands. If they did, they would be hitting the streets by the millions in protest! But we Americans are hooked on this "instant gratification" mindset that all they have to do is VOTE for change, not knowing that voting is just the first step of a very long journey to achieving those long-desired ends.

      "Peace is the protector of genius. War is the mortal enemy of both peace and genius."

      by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 06:48:38 AM PST

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    •  WHOA what are these age brackets? (1+ / 0-)
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      How is there commnity rating if there are age brackets?  What's that all about?  Do older people pay the same or not?

      •  The current bill penalizes for age (9+ / 0-)

        to make up for the loss of revenue in regard to pre-existing condition. The Senate bill allows them to charge more for people as they age. This is not much different than what will pass in the senate bill in regard to the age brackets...except my understanding (correct if I am wrong) is that this provides more brackets...more gradation.

        The greatest gift you can contribute to the goal of world peace is to heal.

        by wavpeac on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 08:33:11 AM PST

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        •  both bills hurt those over 50 (0+ / 0-)
          •  Not necessarily (1+ / 0-)
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            some people will be left in the same position they are now...unable to afford insurance because the cost is too high and their income isn't low enough to qualify for aid that would make it affordable....but for others, maybe with a little more income or a little less debt, this would make it possible to obtain health insurance whereas under the current system it is unavailable at any price.

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 09:14:04 AM PST

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          •  There might be a solution? (2+ / 0-)
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            dmh44, wavpeac

            In Germany private health insurance companies (covering around 10% of the population) are required by law to save / invest 10% of the monthly fees for when you get older. And needing more health care.

            Meaning that if you enter at a young age and even with low fees, that 10% saved over decades will help keep down your fees when you get older. Of course it also means that the later you enter the higher will be your fees.

            So the solution might be:

            1. Introduce that 10% requirement for younger age brackets now plus
            1. subsidies for the older age brackets now until the age brackets with the 10% "savings" get older.
      •  Community rating within each... (1+ / 0-)
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        elwior

        age bracket....there should be enough to have reasonable cost...Older people would pay more...yes...just as they do for life insurance...

        Obama - Change I still believe in

        by dvogel001 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 10:02:33 AM PST

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        •  I think the age brackets mean the opposite (0+ / 0-)

          This is Medicare, after all.  

          People pay into Medicare.

          The older you are the longer you have paid into Medicare.

          I think the premiums would go down with increased age.

          Some people fight fire with fire. Professionals use water.

          by Happy Days on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 02:34:18 PM PST

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          •  That is not what Grayson's proposal is... (0+ / 0-)

            it is clearly banded and community rated by band...it is meant to be cost neutral and administered by Medicare but actuarily standing on its own...

            Obama - Change I still believe in

            by dvogel001 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 02:48:20 PM PST

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          •  Here is the relevant text... (0+ / 0-)

            4 ‘‘(c) PREMIUMS.—
            5 ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The provisions of sub6
            sections (d)(1), (d)(2), and (d)(3) of section 1818
            7 insofar as they apply to premiums (including collec8
            tion of premiums) shall apply to premiums and col9
            lection of premiums under this section, except
            10 that—
            11 ‘‘(A) paragraphs (4) and (5) of section
            12 1818 shall not be applicable; and
            13 ‘‘(B) the estimate of the monthly actuarial
            14 rate under section 1818(d) shall be computed
            15 and applied under this paragraph based upon
            16 costs incurred for individuals within each age
            17 cohort specified in paragraph (2) rather than
            18 for all individuals age 65 and older.
            19 ‘‘(2) AGE COHORTS.—The age cohorts specified
            20 in this paragraph are as follows:
            21 ‘‘(A) Individuals under 19 years of age.
            22 ‘‘(B) Individuals at least 19 years of age
            23 but not more than 25 years of age.
            24 ‘‘(C) Individuals at least 26 years of age
            25 and not more than 35 years of age.
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            1 ‘‘(D) Individuals at least 36 years of age
            2 and not more than 45 years of age.
            3 ‘‘(E) Individuals at least 46 years of age
            4 and not more than 55 years of age.
            5 ‘‘(F) Individuals at least 56 years of age
            6 and not more than 64 years of age.

            Obama - Change I still believe in

            by dvogel001 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 02:50:25 PM PST

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    •  And: it's SIMPLE. Allow people to buy in, they (11+ / 0-)

      pay their premiums, just like any other insurance. NO NEW BUREAUCRACY needed. No cost to the government; it's self-funded. The Rethugs should like that. (HA!!) Subsidies can always be added later.

      Four pages. Nothing to wave in front of the cameras as being impossibly complicated. Heck, even a tea-bagger can understand this. And they keep screaming: "Keep your mitts off of my Medicare!". Well, this lets a whole lot more people scream the same thing.

      Which isn't to say that Medicare doesn't have its problems. It does. But this is simplicity and beauty. A single system to fix. And if anything, this would STRENGTHEN Medicare, not weaken it.

      Of course, the insurance companies will fight it with every tool in their arsenal if it gains any traction at all. But this really could be a winner.

      Now -- if we could only get Obama on board!!! Not likely, but with where we are now, it gives Obama cover to say, "Well, we tried a more incremental approach. Everyone said it was too complicated, and it was. This is simple. Let's do it!"

      I know, I'm dreaming. But, dreams are how real changes begin.

      "But there is so much more to do." - Barack Obama, Nov. 4, 2008

      by flitedocnm on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 09:06:00 AM PST

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      •  And (forgot to add): NO ANTI-ABORTION nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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        to deal with here. Current Medicare rules all apply. Nothing for Stupak and Nelson to latch onto and sabotage with false claims of government funding of abortion.

        "But there is so much more to do." - Barack Obama, Nov. 4, 2008

        by flitedocnm on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 09:08:34 AM PST

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        •  No abortion coverage at all (1+ / 0-)
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          that's why it's so simple....there is already a complete prohibition on abortion coverage under Medicare and other government plans. How is that better?

          "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

          by Alice in Florida on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 09:16:37 AM PST

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          •  We'd probably end up (1+ / 0-)
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            with a system similar to other countries with public health care. Private insurance would be reduced to selling supplemental policies to cover stuff that Medicare doesn't cover. Like private rooms, and abortion.

            "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

            by happy camper on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 09:31:06 AM PST

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          •  It's not better in terms of women's right to (0+ / 0-)

            choose. Of course. I was not suggesting anything to the contrary. I was making a comment about the politics of possibly having Grayson's bill having any prayer of passing.

            "But there is so much more to do." - Barack Obama, Nov. 4, 2008

            by flitedocnm on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 06:20:13 AM PST

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    •  Medicare for All (4+ / 0-)
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      blueoasis, ColoTim, output, cgirard

      is socialism, the R's are really against Medicare anyway (even though they can't acknowledge it publicly right now).  The Corporate wing is trying to find a way to portray Medicare as a commie plot right now and get all these people enslaved back into the Market-system.

      The point of this Public Option, socialist name-calling nonsense and alternatives to Single-Payer is to keep imposing the Market-based Status Quo on the American people, even if it costs more, so we can stay true to the "American" value of a Market-based system for everything.

      Go yellow!--The next movement after green. U.S. Metric Association www.metric.org

      by movingforward on Wed Mar 10, 2010 at 09:06:48 AM PST

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    •  I proposed this a year ago in a letter to the WH (1+ / 0-)
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      elwior

      A sliding scale Medicare buy-in with fees decreasing as you get older and move into another bracket. The youth pay more and that allows the elderly to pay less with no buy in after 65.

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