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  •  I could be convinced (0+ / 0-)

    so it matters not how many sources I produce here.

    But only if you produced an actual source.

     There are two facts here. Fact #1: zero. That's how many sources that you've produced.
    Fact #2: two. That's how many sources I've produced.

     If I wasn't part of this debate and was just reading this thread, I would believe the guy who was producing sources.
      That's not being obstinate. That's just being fair.

    "The people have only as much liberty as they have the intelligence to want & the courage to take." - Emma Goldman

    by gjohnsit on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 09:40:56 AM PST

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      •  Maybe you don't understand (0+ / 0-)

        I looked at all of these sources. Not one of them, including the link you titled "Sunni's don't follow 'Abdul Wahhab'" say that Wahhabi's aren't Sunnis. In fact, the link I just mentioned shows a chart in which the Wahhabi's appear to be under the Sunni umbrella (which is my point).

         I'm not looking for a definition of Wahhabi. I'm looking for a source that says Wahhabi and Sunni are entirely different.
          The sources I produced say that Wahhabi is a puritan sub-sect of Sunni.

         Believe it or not, I'm not giving you a hard time. I'm showing you how people debate a topic. So next time you will be more prepared.

        "The people have only as much liberty as they have the intelligence to want & the courage to take." - Emma Goldman

        by gjohnsit on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 12:16:23 PM PST

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        •  Thank you... (0+ / 0-)

          ...and I am not a stranger to proper "debating" rules. I wasn't even debating about this. One thing I like to share here is that I do know what I am talking about when I say the Wahhabis are not a sub-sect of Sunnis. Reasons:

          Sunnis are a liberal sect (the sources that call the Sunnis Orthodox are either incorrect or lying) and they are closer to the mystical Sufis. Shias (Some Iraqis and Iranians) however are Orthodox.
          Also the Saudis are strict Orthodox Wahhabis who follow Abu Wahhab and believe themselves to be the only true followers of Islam. They are not only not Sunnis, they reject Sunnis' legitimacy as muslims and Sunni Saddam was their enemy, for that reason.

          If you want to see the differences with your own eyes go visit the following countries, Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Saudi Arabia. Turks are mostly Sunnis and Saudis are Wahhabis. You'll see the difference.

          The linked photo at the bottom belongs to a club (music and alcohol served)for youngsters in Ankara, the capital of modern Turkey. I guarantee you that you will not see anything like that in Saudi Arabia. Also, during Summer season, Turkish resort towns would be full of females with bikinis and shorts.

          Forget the bikinis, Saudis would not allow their males and females mingle in the same club. Females are not allowed to drive while Turkish women drive cars and buses. Adultery is not punishable by law in Turkey while it is a cause for lashing and flogging in the Saudis. Turkish women can leave the country and travel without the permission of a male relative while the Saudis can't.

          Again, when they call the Sunnis orthodox/fundamentalist and the Wahhabis a sect of Sunnis, tell them to take a trip.

          ps# There are a lot of false information about that part of the world and a lot of it is the result of overall ignorance when it comes to Islam and the muslims, in general. Best way of informing one's self to my opinion is by getting to know actual muslims from different parts and sects, if possible.


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