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  •  no it isn't dumb... (3+ / 0-)
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    tikkun, greatdarkspot, MKSinSA

    our founders expressly said that they didn't want an Athenian style of democracy.

    Simple majorities that could outright ban (and have banned) the rights of minorities are hopefully rare things in our government, but they would be far less rare if simple majorities ruled the day.

    Where are the "better" Democrats?

    by lalo456987 on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 09:27:55 AM PST

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    •  where is the direct democracy you speak of? (6+ / 0-)

      your whole comment was a red herring. the senate is a representative democracy, not athenian direct democracy. allowing the senate to move to 50% isn't at all "mob rule."

      as for legislatures stripping minorities of their rights, it's incredibly common, and the constitutional solution for that is not the fillibuster, it's the judicial branch.

      again, you're just waving "republic" around like a talisman. you've got no argument.

      surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

      by wu ming on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 09:37:21 AM PST

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      •  whatever you say... (0+ / 0-)

        you're the expert, apparently.

        And if Dems find themselves in the minority in 2011 and there's no filibuster (or worse being in the minority in 2013 without a Dem president), can I blame you personally for the lack of a filibuster?

        Where are the "better" Democrats?

        by lalo456987 on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 09:47:54 AM PST

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        •  If we're the minority party (1+ / 0-)
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          then shame on us.  Elections have consequences.  

          The filibuster is an anti-democratic tool in an anti-democratic legislative body.  Back when the issues were often divided between urban and rural, or commercial and agricultural, it made some sense.  But now, it is the tool of hyperpartisanship that only benefits the ones who are willing to abuse it.

        •  if you look at the history of the filibuster... (2+ / 0-)
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          wu ming, fayea

          it has been used much more frequently (and successfully) by those who wish to preserve the prerogatives of wealth & power.

          Keith A. Mello:

          History shows the use of the filibuster has a right-wing bias. From 1995 to 2007, the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress. During this period, the Republicans called for 325 cloture motions due to Democratic use of the filibuster (about 27 times a year). Cloture is how the filibuster is stopped. In the last three years, Democrats have called for 214 cloture motions due to Republican use of same practice (about 71 times a year). That’s almost 3-to-1 in favor of the Republicans.

          The Goldstone Report: read it and weep for the people of Gaza.

          by DFH on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 11:34:01 AM PST

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