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  •  I don't think Connie... (7+ / 0-) anti-gun. Just pro-choice.

    We are offering Michigan a deal: They can have Healthcare Reform (which they need) if they give up trying to ban Abortion (which will never happen anyhow).

    I am "anti-abortion" and I vote for pro-choicers all the time. I know that there will never be a ban on abortion in this country, and even if there was, it wouldn't save any babies. We need to make a cold, logical case to the voters...and we can win.

    •  Who isn't anti-abortion? (4+ / 0-)
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      shpilk, ManhattanMan, Ken in Tex, sprogga

      For goodness' sakes, even the pro-choice people think of abortion as the least-bad choice for women who choose it.  But laws against abortion aren't any more effective than prohibition was.

      Why can't some White House arm twister like Rahm Emmanuel make Stupak realize that, and realize that taking a symbolic stand against abortion isn't worth throwing away a health reform bill?  If Emmanuel -- and Obama, for that matter -- can't whip Stupak into line on this, it shows they lack critical leadership skills.

      I quite agree with you, ManhattanMan, and this is my two cents' worth of a contribution to the cold, logical case we need to make to voters.  And to President Obama.

      We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

      by david78209 on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 07:19:53 AM PST

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      •  This issue is not about abortion or 'choice' .. (4+ / 0-)
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        Odysseus, david78209, jct, Ken in Tex

        it's about a woman's right to privacy.

        Always has been. Always will be.

        Best way to reduce the number of abortions is to improve social conditions for women by changing our male dominated sexist culture, by education and ensuring that laws against sexual abuse are firmly and fairly enforced.

        Trying to get 'social conservatives' to understand that is like trying to talk to a dining room table.

        "the work goes on, the cause endures .. "

        by shpilk on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 08:15:35 AM PST

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      •  No kidding. (3+ / 0-)
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        Odysseus, david78209, Ken in Tex

        I'm also anti-chemotherapy.  Not because I want cancer patients to die, but because in my wish-world of rainbows and unicorns (w-worau), it wouldn't be necessary.  Just like in my w-worau there wouldn't be abortions, because there wouldn't be unwanted pregnancies or medical emergencies.  And just like in my w-worau, there wouldn't be prisons, because there wouldn't be crime.

        But there is cancer, so it's better to have chemo available than not.  This isn't my w-worau.

        There are unwanted pregnancies, so it's better to have abortion available than not.  This still isn't my w-worau.

        And there is crime, so we need prisons too.

        Until I'm elected omnipotent, benevolent god-king, anyway.

        Clearly, I need to find a witty sig line.

        by libdevil on Thu Mar 11, 2010 at 08:22:32 AM PST

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