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  •  You're missing the point, I think. (2+ / 0-)
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    Regardless of political alliances, accents, or whatever you use to the define "The South," the fact remains that by and large, Texans don't consider themselves to be Southern. And the culture is different than what most of us view as the South.

    Personally, I couldn't care less how you refer to it, or think of it, or would imagine why those of us who were born there should or should not prefer that it be considered the South. The simple fact is that you will find it very hard to find more than a few Texans who would consider themselves Southerners. Not even sure it matters, but it is a fact.

    We are about to be attacked by Al Qaeda. Wave flags if you have them. That always seems to scare them away. I'm kidding. - Kurt Vonnegut

    by not a cent on Fri Mar 12, 2010 at 11:57:54 PM PST

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    •  I didn't miss the point. (0+ / 0-)

      I was making a point.  Texans can't escape the history of their state.  I know many Virginians don't consider themselves Southerners, but Virginia still has a "shrine" to Stonewall Jackson.

      "Intolerance is something which belongs to the religions we have rejected." - J.J. Rousseau

      by James Allen on Sat Mar 13, 2010 at 12:02:52 AM PST

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      •  Big difference. (1+ / 0-)
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        Virginia was a Southern Colony, as one of the original thirteen.

        It's not about escaping history, it's about understanding it. But if you want to lump Texas in with the South, feel free.

        We are about to be attacked by Al Qaeda. Wave flags if you have them. That always seems to scare them away. I'm kidding. - Kurt Vonnegut

        by not a cent on Sat Mar 13, 2010 at 12:09:20 AM PST

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        •  What is the point of separating Texas out? (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm sorry, as I said above I used to agree, but after learning that Texas along with South Carolina and Virginia refused to de-segregate their schools until (at least) 1970 I started to change my mind. Also, after reflecting that my Houston high school used to fly the Confederate Flag and had Grey and Gold as the school colors (and this was until 1999!) it is something I can't deny. Texas was a Confederate state and shares goals and values (esp. racially motivated and religious) with the South. I believe it is some kind of obfuscating pride that causes Texans to feel that it is somehow 'different'. The 'Lone Star' meme allows white folks in Texas to claim 'it's those Other white people who are Southern (being ignorant, prejudiced and still tainted by the racism of the Civil War). Texans can pretend that because they weren't a primarily a plantation state it isn't the South. Or because we don't automatically serve sweet ice tea in restaurants or whatever. But, look at the first laws enacted after the Republic of Texas was created and you'll see cotton farming, slavery, and the suppression of people based on race increased. When Texas defined itself as 'Texas' as we currently conceive of it, it aligned itself with the South.

          •  Very interesting perspective. (0+ / 0-)

            And I agree, if one defines the South by it's role in the Civil War and the support of slavery and segregation, Texas clearly is part of that. Similarly, it definitely is part of the Bible Belt.

            OTOH, my view of Texas probably is shaped by the fact that I grew up in South Central Texas, where the ethnic makeup is markedly different than in "the South," and than in most other parts of the state. San Antonio and Amarillo, for example, have little to nothing in common.

            I also agree with you about the Texas exceptionalism attitude. I still find it odd, all these many years after I left the state.

            We are about to be attacked by Al Qaeda. Wave flags if you have them. That always seems to scare them away. I'm kidding. - Kurt Vonnegut

            by not a cent on Sat Mar 13, 2010 at 10:51:08 AM PST

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