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  •  Navajo Nation explores 4G with DragonWave (9+ / 0-)

    Canadian equipment supplier DragonWave has announced that it has been contracted by the Navajo Tribal Utility Authority (NTUA) to deploy a commercial Long Term Evolution (LTE) field test across parts of the Navajo Nation. The NTUA is currently seeking funding to the tune of USD46 million to accommodate the deployment of fibre-optic infrastructure and LTE across the reservation, the largest Native American jurisdiction in the US, including a 530 mile fibre rollout and the installation of 57 LTE base stations, providing coverage of 15,000 square miles of the Navajo Nation.

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    Walter Haase, general manager of NTUA, said: ‘The network is designed to enable unprecedented applications such as broadband internet access, distance learning and telemedicine that will certainly benefit people here on the Navajo Nation. Using microwaves to tie remote sites to the fibre for 4G technologies is an integral enabler of our overall strategy to meet and exceed expectations.’

    •  Waste of money. (0+ / 0-)

      4g to the house is too low a bandwidth, this is the cheap way out. Only way to do this is for fiber to the house. The problem with this reservation is that most of it does not even have power. This reservation is a huge area and filled with people that live far from each other. They need to create their own telephone company, keep it in the family, hire their own tribal engineers and run this like a business.

      •  what is the optimum distance (1+ / 0-)
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        between a 4g fixed connection to an LTE node (or hub)? The information seems to be all over the place on this.

        I've looked at a lot of sources on this, but returned to wikipedia for a general bandwidth statement on 4g.

        The wikipedia entry, though, seems like it may have been written by a 4g provider, but it states the following per the working group standards:

        The 4G working group[clarification needed] has defined the following as objectives of the 4G wireless communication standard:

        Flexible channel bandwidth, between 5 and 20 MHz, optionally up to 40 MHz.[2]
        A nominal data rate of 100 Mbit/s while the client physically moves at high speeds relative to the station, and 1 Gbit/s while client and station are in relatively fixed positions as defined by the ITU-R,[6]
        A data rate of at least 100 Mbit/s between any two points in the world,[6]
        Peak link spectral efficiency of 15 bit/s/Hz in the downlink, and 6.75 bit/s/Hz in the uplink (meaning that 1000 Mbit/s in the downlink should be possible over less than 67 MHz bandwidth)
        System spectral efficiency of up to 3 bit/s/Hz/cell in the downlink and 2.25 bit/s/Hz/cell for indoor usage.[2]
        Smooth handoff across heterogeneous networks,[7]
        Seamless connectivity and global roaming across multiple networks,[8]
        High quality of service for next generation multimedia support (real time audio, high speed data, HDTV video content, mobile TV, etc)[8]
        Interoperability with existing wireless standards,[9] and
        An all IP, packet switched network.[8]

        This seems to be what is being installed in Europe (Greece, for instance) in spots where they are moving away from CDMA.

        thoughts?

        "We are one, after all, you and I, together we suffer, together exist, and forever will recreate each other."
        Teilhard de Chardin

        by exmearden on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:06:07 PM PDT

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        •  Correct information (0+ / 0-)

          Wireless really only works in wifi type areas and is used when there is absolutely no other cost effective solution. The problem with this reservation is that they live all over the place. This is the same problem we face as a nation, we are spread out and sparsely populated. IMHO, the government is doing the right thing by saying that we will only subsidize a line to your house if the aggregate costs per home/subscriber is less than 10,000 per sub. That is total costs not just the gear. If a project for stimulus grants for a telco is awarded for say, 10 million dollars, at least 8 million of it is for the construction phase and management. Right of ways off res are horrific to get especially in the West where every rock hides an ancestor, every tree is sacred to someone and every critter is on the ESL. The gear to make the telephone network work is but 10-20% of the cost. So, when I blasted indian tribal councils including the various agencies involved, it was because they represent the single largest impediment to getting someone to dig a hole or post a tower or bore a shaft. Every single area in some of the larger reservations has a local council you have to convince just to get dial tone in some cases. I realize I was harsh and used brash tones but if you had to deal with this stuff, you would probably either give up (this is what most do which is why they don't have squat) or in my case, support tribes to do it themselves. You do realize that they do not have to pay for service, right? They are totally subsidized even to the point of the phone and dsl bill...sweet deal if you can get it.

          •  necessary (2+ / 0-)
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            at least in the case of many isolated tribes who have no access to some of the newer forms of profit, and those without a foundational economy.

            imo, it doesn't matter who pays for it, as long as it gets done. If the overall community gains access, the youth have more of an opportunity to thrive, and the elders more options for education, better health, connection to others, and ability to provide support for the Indian youth who make up over 50% of the NA population nationwide.

            As far as setting up local telco companies, I'd be interested in what it takes to get that established. Licenses, permits, basic startup equipment, etc. Might make an interesting diary if you'd consider doing one.

            The adoption in some (nontribal communities) of BPL was something I was following a few years ago, but buzz about that has died down - due I suspect to lack of spectrum access and competing interests. It will be interesting to see if any of this plan allows access to electric company interests.

            "We are one, after all, you and I, together we suffer, together exist, and forever will recreate each other."
            Teilhard de Chardin

            by exmearden on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:36:01 PM PDT

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            •  Good stuff (1+ / 0-)
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              The problem is in the total cost to link up all the various places people live in this country. If someone makes a decision to live 50 miles from anyone else, why should we pay for his service to be subsidized? Now, if that same person is doing something of value to us, perhaps there is a compelling need to link him up but what if that person moves after you have invested 200k to get him fiber? I know of homes in AZ that cost upwards of 300k to get POTs. That is subsidized by us. I am for subsidies but there has to be some rational case made first, we do not have unlimited funds. What will end up happening is that those people will either move back to town or pay for their links one way or the other. As for the nations, they need to take advantage of the many Indian own and run independent telcos in this nation. They need to get on board and have them help with the process. They then have to buy the existing network from the current operator. That takes money but it is money well spent IMHO.

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