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  •  if you drive, or breathe air, or drink water... (10+ / 0-)

    you can rethink Nader's relevance.

    •  I said since the 1970's... (2+ / 0-)
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      N in Seattle, itsbenj

      He hasn't done squat since then except be on tv spouting his egotistical b.s.

      The only thing you get from sitting on the fence is splinters in your ass. My Granddaddy!

      by SallyCat on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 09:34:12 AM PDT

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      •  you don't anything about him, do you? (4+ / 0-)

        See his website, Public Citizen.

        He remains an important uncorrupted voice of consumer protection, civic participation, and reform for our political system.

        •  Oy...if I wanted that tripe I'd move to Berkeley (2+ / 0-)
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          N in Seattle, citicenx

          across the Bay from me. I get better information from the local SF papers than Nader.

          The only thing you get from sitting on the fence is splinters in your ass. My Granddaddy!

          by SallyCat on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 09:42:46 AM PDT

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        •  I recommend the documentary, An Unreasonable Man (5+ / 0-)

          it's pretty well balanced and shows Nader's flaw -- his unfitness for the contemporary political climate.

          Remember what Bacevich says in The Limits of Power

          The (Obama) agenda is an admirable one. Yet to imagine that installing a particular individual in the Oval Office will produce decisive action on any of these fronts is to succumb to the grandest delusion of all. The quadrennial ritual of electing (or relecting) a president is not an exercise in promoting change, regardless of what the candidates may claim and ordinary voters believe. The real aim is to ensure continuity, to keep intact the institutions and arrangements that define present-day Washington. The veterans of past administrations who sign on as campaign advisers are not interested in curbing the bloated powers of the presidency. They want to share in exercising those powers. The retired generals and admirals who line up behind their preferred candidate don't want to dismantle the national security state. They want to preserve it and, if possible, expand it. The candidates who decry the influence of money in national politics are among those most skilled in courting the well-heeled to amass millions in campaign contributions.

          No doubt the race for the presidency matters. It just doesn't matter as much as the media's obsessive coverage suggests. Whoever moves into the White House on Jan. 20, 2009, the fundamental problem facing the country -- a yawning disparity between what Americans expect and what they are willing to pay -- will remain stubbornly in place.

    •  I've given up all those. (1+ / 0-)
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      Maybe that explains why I haven't been feeling well lately.

      My Jim Bunning is inflamed so I have been forced to use that toilet paper with the lanolin in it.

      by Bob Johnson on Thu Mar 18, 2010 at 09:35:39 AM PDT

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