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  •  What (2+ / 0-)
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    beeninthewoods, atheistben
    I didn't exist before this blog?  I don't have to prove anything to you!
    •  He's right (18+ / 0-)

      You do need to earn a little mojo capital.

      One thing moderates seem to forget.

      If it weren't for us Progressives you people would still be dithering on playing defense against the republicans.

      Its Progressives who imagine big, who think down the road, who fight the hardest for the middle class and the poor, and who insist on taking it all the way.

      Sure, we need the moderate vote.  We could just do with a little less complaining and back stabbing.

      "This Space for Rent"

      by Detroit Mark on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 11:05:40 AM PDT

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      •  I am not a wonk (2+ / 0-)
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        don't claim I am.  I am a citizen.  I only care about my beliefs.  I don't have to prove I am a good wonk, since it is not a claim I make.  I am not into your ratings scheme.  I don't post enough to care about it.
        •  Hence (9+ / 0-)

          Jekyl's admonition above.

          Clearly you don't care.  So neither will anyone who reads you.

          "This Space for Rent"

          by Detroit Mark on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 11:10:14 AM PDT

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          •  I care about universal health insurance. (5+ / 0-)
            I don't have to get mojo to have an opinion that counts.
            •  but being a purity troll becomes cutting off (1+ / 0-)
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              elwior

              your nose to spite your face

              not saying don't continue to fight for what you think is the better idea

              sort of respect your elders, and fair or unfair it is based on your UID number

              And Meteor Blades insists on common manners like don't poop in the living room if you are invited over to dinner

              Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices -- François-Marie Arouet

              by CA Berkeley WV on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 12:57:30 PM PDT

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              •  I am not a purity troll (2+ / 0-)
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                I just don't view corporatism as necessary for us to win.  There is no law says I got agree with people who have older uids!
                •  the neoliberal label sort of started (0+ / 0-)

                  some of the tenser comments. for me it brings to mind war hawks and i doubt if you will find many here for necessary war for war's sake. for some it falls under name calling but asking for clarification would be better than the HideRate

                  at this point not even sen. sanders is going to offer the public option right now. politics is about the possible at this point. he has learned enough about the senate rules that he has to work within that having already passed a build few things can be addressed in the budget act reconciliation and be un-byrdable.

                  only the people in kucinich's district get to vote for him. he made the decision that passing the bill now could help them and standing in the way would not.

                  he has decided right now to not be 'a purity troll'. if you are in his district, i envy you. i am stuck with the daughter of an ex-gov convicted felon GOP that seems to get a kick out of gay jokes aimed at her chairman barney franks.

                  Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices -- François-Marie Arouet

                  by CA Berkeley WV on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:42:40 PM PDT

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      •  Err (6+ / 0-)

        If you look at anarchyintheusa's comments, it is pretty clear s/he is coming at this from a stand of "progressive purity," as it were.

        I understand the desire of progressives to inflate their sense of self-worth at the expense of denigrating moderates and conservatives, but a coalition built of progressives alone will not give you a majority.

        And this:

        Sure, we need the moderate vote.  We could just do with a little less complaining and back stabbing.

        Just change "moderate" to "progressive," and you will have the moderates' lament.

        Progressivism, like conservatism, cannot fail. It can only be failed.

        by tomjones on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 11:11:04 AM PDT

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        •  I don't claim to want Progressive Purity (7+ / 0-)

          I just want the bullshit name calling to stop.  I don't frankly care whether you disguise it as a new term fresh off the pages of The New Yorker...or you just come right out and say it with malice.

          Calling people names amongst our own ranks is chicken shit.

          "This Space for Rent"

          by Detroit Mark on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 11:15:42 AM PDT

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        •  Moderates are conservatives in sheep's... (10+ / 0-)

          clothing.  They lack a spine and think by huddling in the center that somehow things will work out.  This requires ignoring the folks that are dying in war or for lack of health care, or losing their homes due to bankruptcy or crooked banks.

          They also lack any real position about anything (i.e. Obama), since they are centrists and don't want to upset anyone.

          The progressives don't need the moderates, this country actually desperately needs the progressives to pull the vampire corporations off their backs.

          The HCR (or as it is now called: Health Insurance Reform) is a crooked bill that will enrich and empower the health care corps.  Yes a few more folks may get covered, maybe.  But basically we're giving corrupt assholes more money and power.  This is the work of moderates, thank you so much.

          Moderates and centrists can say that when this country needed decency, integrity, and courage, at least they didn't do anything.  

          Corporate PACs, not just bribery but a lifestyle!

          by rubine on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 11:42:15 AM PDT

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          •  210 billion dollars in increased policy payments (3+ / 0-)
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            Health care insurance is a pay-into fund that pays out to the medical and pharmaceutical industries.  It keeps a percentage of the pay-into fund for profit.

            Everyone who has insurance, on average will pay into the fund 20% more than they get out of it over their lifetime.

            The Pharma and medical industries negotiated this bill with the administration back in march.  They negotiated for their "middleman" the insuarance industry.

            Here is what Kucinich said about this bill.

            A lesson in politics. The Kucinich Prediction: Here's what's going to happen ...

            1.  House will make a big deal about keeping/putting a public option in HR3200 because it competes with insurance companies and will keep insurance rates low.
            1.  The White House will refer to the President's speech last week where he spoke favorably of the public option.
            1. The Senate will kill the competitive public option in favor of non-competitive "co-ops". Senate leaders like Kent Conrad have said the votes to pass a public option were never there in the Senate.
            1. The bill will come to a House-Senate Conference Committee without the public option.
            1.  House Democrats will be told to support the conference report on the legislation to support the President.
            1.  The bill will pass, not with a "public option" but with a private mandate requiring 30 million uninsured to buy private health insurance (if one doesn't already have it). If you are broke, you may get a subsidy. If you are not broke, you will get a fine if you do not purchase insurance.

            and here is what he said about the agreement

            this bill will require an additional 210 billion dollars of health insurance policy payments per year.

          •  I.E. Obama? (1+ / 0-)
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            tomjones

            So you are saying President Obama stands for nothing? I have no idea where that comes from but you are entitled to your opinion..

            Even if it is wrong!

      •  What is this "mojo capital" thing? (2+ / 0-)
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        catnip, anarchyintheusa

        Are we under some sort of obligagtion to prove ourselves to somebody?

        everything is applied mathematics
        the rest is pure mathematics

        by pigeonhole principle on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 11:59:28 AM PDT

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    •  Spotted! (0+ / 0-)

      It's the Official Naderite Thread Troll®!

      Threadicus Hiiacticus Naderus is usually spotted only at night.

      Democrats: Bringing Plastic Sporks to Tank Battles Since 1968

      by Attorney at Arms on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 12:57:03 PM PDT

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