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  •  Dear Mike (3+ / 6-)

    After listening to you trash this bill and the President what makes you that much different from Mr. Stupak? He doesn't like the bill, just you you didn't. What's the difference. Except that now you get to insult more people.

    I think Stupak is Focus on the Family friendly. That means he is a lost cause. Insulting him only plays into the Christian martry game that they love to play.

    •  I wasn't happy with it either (18+ / 0-)

      do you want to go off on me? It's time to end these stupid wars and move towards improving what we have. Just because there is anonymity on the toobs it doesn't mean that we get to trash talk all the time.

      I swear some people are addicted to the fight, it doesn't even matter what the fight is about.

      "Take it back, take it back. Oh no you can't say that. All of my friends are not dead or in jail." John Prine

      by high uintas on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 04:53:55 PM PDT

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      •  Move Forward (3+ / 0-)
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        Sounds good.

        I saw Moore being interviewed by Lawrence O'Donnell. I am sure some may agree with what he said, and some of it was true, but there is such a thing as constructive criticism. Mike was burning down the house. It does nothing to advance the progressive cause when you burn down your own house to make the big point.  As for insulting Stupak, that is just a gift to Stupak. Moore could make his point without being so freaking rude.

        •  Wait, this from someone who just told Moore to (2+ / 0-)
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          STFU and called him no better than Bart Stupak?

          Moore could make his point without being so freaking rude.

          How is ANYTHING that Moore says about Stupak above "rude"?  

          People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. -- "V for Vendetta"

          by Vtdblue on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 09:00:17 PM PDT

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      •  takes 2 (1+ / 0-)
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        missliberties

        IMHO we should still try persuading "liberals" who still oppose. We'll need them in the future.

    •  I would hide this 5 times if I could... (10+ / 0-)

      If you honestly don't understand that, without "Sicko," HCR wouldn't be on the national agenda at all, let alone be on the cusp of historic legislation, then you truly are as foolish as you are unpleasant.

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:16:20 PM PDT

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    •  Breaking: Stupak voted in favor of HR1913! (0+ / 0-)

      Everyone, stop being against hate crimes! Bart Stupak is against them, ergo they are good!

      After listening to you trash this bill and the President what makes you that much different from Mr. Stupak?

      Above comment rec'd because it'd be a shame to see it go.

      "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange ... including a public option" President Obama, 7.18.09

      by efraker on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:30:48 PM PDT

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    •  "What's the difference?", you ask. (12+ / 0-)

      Just this:

      People like Mike and Dennis Kucinich opposed this bill because it doesn't do enough to help people. They were hoping to push it to the left so as to help MORE people, and to give away less to the bloodsucking insurance industry!

      People like Stupak, on the other hand, oppose this bill because they want to push it to the RIGHT, or to dump it altogether.

      In other words, Mike is on OUR side, Stupak is NOT. HUGE DIFFERENCE!

      "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

      by ratmach on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:31:33 PM PDT

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      •  I kind of agree with the distinction (3+ / 0-)
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        but there's also a distinction to be made between Moore and Kucinich. Moore is a citizen, albeit one with a megaphone, just like you and I. He has a right to express himself freely and oppose or support the bill up to and even after the bitter end. He is opposed to it from the left, as you said. A congressman however, gets a vote. And even if he/she is opposing from the left, in the end if he/she votes "no", that no vote counts the same way as every right wing no vote. It doesn't matter what the rationale is behind the vote. No is no.

        •  That's true, but Dennis would probably NOT... (5+ / 0-)

          ... have voted "no" had it come down to a tie vote. In fact I'd bet alot of money on that. He's never done that before. People like to say stuff like, "Kucinich votes against Democratic bills just as often as some Republicans do." Well, if you look closely, you'll see that every time he does that, he's voting against a bill because it's too moderate, or maybe even conservative. He's "opposing it from the left", in order to make the points that SHOULD be made. And just as importantly, not once has one of his "no" votes made a difference in the final outcome. In other words, I really think that, when it comes down to it, if it means being the tie-breaking, Kucinich WILL vote with the Dems, even if he knows the bill isn't as good as it should be.

          "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

          by ratmach on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 06:25:45 PM PDT

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      •  Moore is not clean on this, he goes off the deep (1+ / 0-)
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        end with his views.

    •  What's the difference? Are you that short on (7+ / 0-)

      the ability to recognize something as "nuanced" (read: perfectly obvious) as Stupak wanting to END all abortions and Michael Moore wanting to EXPAND coverage to poor women?

      There is NO REASON why 41 Republicans against healthcare is a "majority" but 41 senators for the public option is insignificant! Keep going!

      by terra on Fri Mar 19, 2010 at 05:54:10 PM PDT

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    •  HR Abuse.... (1+ / 0-)
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      Uprated.

      I disagree with your statement, as do obviously those HRing it.  

      But - it is not HR Worthy.

      Not all conservatives are paranoid, but all paranoids are conservative

      by DrWolfy on Sat Mar 20, 2010 at 05:34:26 AM PDT

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    •  Actually, equating MM with Stu is R logic (0+ / 0-)

      Tired of it. We have to ask for what we want. We have to fight for it. In the end all the votes from those who complained because they wanted a better bill will be there. It's still a give away to insurance. It's still a bill that leads us deeper into a private health care system INSTEAD of a single payer system. I think people have an obligation to fight for all they can get.

      It's not the bill I wanted either. I am very disappointed that single payer wasn't allowed at the table. That we haven't cut the cost of insurance enough. That we didn't rip the floor out from underneath a corporate division that has almost ruined the country. I am upset that Obama cut a deal with big pharma. We didn't do enough to cut the costs of meds.

      But in the end...I will clap loudly that he got this passed. See, I also liked Clinton...because I knew that Clinton has the same problems Obama does. Same issues. And he has made some of the VERY same deals with the devil. (that so many Obama fans fail to see, even now). He'll pass it...but he learned from Clinton that to do so...he had to sell out some of the most important principles. I didn't hate Clinton...and I don't "hate" Obama. I just continue to see that neither of them could do what they said they would.

      The greatest gift you can contribute to the goal of world peace is to heal.

      by wavpeac on Sat Mar 20, 2010 at 05:55:17 AM PDT

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