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  •  It's just like the Viagra amendment (10+ / 0-)

    One day these clowns are against the government interfering with your health care, the next day they're demanding the government tell MD's what they can prescribe to who. I guess this is what happens when your primary political motivation is hate, rather than principle.

    "This sucks" - anonymous

    by jhecht on Fri Mar 26, 2010 at 07:05:58 AM PDT

    •  All kiddin aside (3+ / 0-)
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      the Dems need to adopt that amendment as a seperate bill and sail it through the house.  You do not want to have to face the 30 second ad with Willie Horton Hopped up on Hard-on Pills.

      "They don't think it be like it is, but it do. " Oscar Gamble, circa 1980

      by Spider Stumbled on Fri Mar 26, 2010 at 07:12:37 AM PDT

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      •  Remove the mandate! (2+ / 0-)
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        Now that health insurance reform has passed, the Democrats should introduce legislation to remove the mandate for health insurance. It is, after all, a republican idea and a very unpopular one at that. Given the republican legal challenges to the mandate as well as their statements against it, it should be relatively easy to pass an amendment to remove the mandate form the health insurance reform law on a bi-partisan basis!
        The mandate is the most odious aspect of the new law and removing it would be applauded by liberals, republicans and the American People. The only frowny faces would be from insurance corporations and corporate fascists.

        AG Holder is obstructing justice by actively refusing investigation of war crimes.

        by cybersaur on Fri Mar 26, 2010 at 07:34:33 AM PDT

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        •  But then who pays? (0+ / 0-)

          You've already seen what AHIP is saying, they're going to deny coverage for sick kids until they get the uninsured added into the pool.

          Without the mandate, or a public option, or some other mechanism, we're right back to where we are today.  People know they're going to grow old and die, but put no money aside for it.  So when they get sick they go to the ER, and everyone else pays.

          So without a mandate or PO, why should I pay for someone who just expects to get everything for free?

          And if I decide to be a moocher too, are you going to pay for me when I get sick and demand that you pay for me?

          The problem is that we're demanding more of something that costs real money and requires the real work of real people to provide it.

          Healthcare isn't like making digital copies of music and movies and everything else on the internet everyone wants for free.  Healthcare costs money, and everyone who wants it needs to pay for it.

          •  Turnabout is fair play (0+ / 0-)

            Candidate Obama pledged no individual mandate. President Obama says he was forced into it as it was the only way to make the reform work. Pre-bill President Obama told the insurance companies they had to stop discriminating against preexisting conditions but that they would get 30 million new customers. Turnabout: why can't post-bill President Obama tell the insurance companies no more preexisting condition discrimination but no guarantee on individual mandate. He took our money (campaign contributions) and broke his promise to us. Why can't he break a promise to insurance companies (who, most likely, contributed to McCain)?

            Okay, I'm not married to that idea. But I do like this one. These uninsured people are showing up at Emergency Rooms. That's expensive and it leads to long waits. And in many cases, they are unable to pay. Free riders getting free treatment (knowing that others will be over-charged to pay for it) are not taking personal responsibility. So we change the laws and release the ERs from the obligation to treat everyone. You either show up with insurance (subsidized if you're low-income) or you don't get in. Libertarians and and tea partiers can opt out of insurance for themselves and their families. Now, in case you find an unconscious man on the street, you need a quick way to determine whether he has opted of of emergency treatment (so as not to waste an ambulance trip). That's why everyone who opts out has to agree to display a permanent opt-out tatoo on his forehead. As a sweetener to the opt-outers, it can be a bitchin' tatoo like the "Don't tread on me" snake.  

          •  the insurance companies just got 30 million (0+ / 0-)

            forced customers for life.

            They can fucking afford to pay for the people who can't see a doctor with the shitty high-deductible junk insurance policies that we will all now be forced to buy. After all, I don't recall hearing any insurance companies whining and weeping when people were forced to go to emergency rooms without coverage for the past half century--it's only now when THEY have to pay for it that we hear all their righteous howls of indignation.

            Fuck 'em. Fuck their "risk". (shrug) They just got bazillions in free welfare from all of us.  They can afford to cover those who need it. I doubt any insurance execs will go broke and end up sleeping under a bridge because of it.

            And if the poor little insurance companies don't want to write checks for people who "don't deserve it", then they can always close up shop and go out of business and let the government take over, like they should have done in the first place.

            And if the bastards still want to weep and whine because they'll have to write some checks once in a while, then perhaps we should remind them to thank their lucky stars (and their contributions to Democratic campaigns) that we didn't just pass single-payer and put the whole fucking industry out of business.

          •  when your house burns down (0+ / 0-)

            who pays for the fire company to come put it out?

            When someone burglarizes your house, who pays for the cops to come catch the criminal?

            "Moochers"??????????????

            Health care is a right.  Period.  It shouldn't be dependent in any way shape or form upon one's income or lack of it. People who can't afford heath care and get it anyway are not "moochers" any more than people who don't pay taxes and call the cops anyway when their car gets stolen.

            When did the Dems become the party of deciding who "deserves" health care and who's just a "moocher"  doesn't "deserve" it?  I thought that was the Repugs' game to play.

            Sad to even see such talk. . . . .

      •  Turn the tables on them (1+ / 0-)
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        It would be quite devilish for the Dem to do as you say  and create the "Viagra" bill. But why not have a little fun while we're at it and attach something the Dems really want...like say a public option.

        If the GOP vote against it then so be it. They lose the ability to attack Dems over the Viagra vote because they will have done the exact same thing. If they vote for it... ok they wont for for it, but we get to bash them over the head by showing ads of them enthusiastically supporting the previous Viagra amendment.

        "Think of the children Mr GOP. How dare you play politics with our children!! Remember when you said... (show clip)"

    •  Their motivation is simple (4+ / 0-)
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      Win.

      To win, attack.

      To attack, inspire fear of the opponent.

      The hatred is just a side effect.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Fri Mar 26, 2010 at 07:14:40 AM PDT

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