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  •  Excellent analysis (9+ / 0-)

    Tipped and rec'd. It seems to me that the main problem we currently face is the failure of progressives to grasp the political and ideological character of the GOP and its base. This isn't a conflict between differing views of how best to achieve shared goals. It is a confrontation between two opposing visions of what US society should be.

    The GOP/Teabaggers aren't interested in being a part of any political or social compact where their vision of what the US ought to be doesn't rule. It is this fundamental and irrepressible conflict that underlies their apocalyptic politics. When they frame the political struggle in terms of "Armageddon" they are, in this instance at least, exhibiting greater acuity than many on the Democratic side.

    •  The sooner Americans figure it out, the better (7+ / 0-)

      The GOP/Teabaggers aren't interested in being a part of any political or social compact where their vision of what the US ought to be doesn't rule. It is this fundamental and irrepressible conflict that underlies their apocalyptic politics. When they frame the political struggle in terms of "Armageddon" they are, in this instance at least, exhibiting greater acuity than many on the Democratic side.

      I've seen it remarked recently that people should read up on the build up to the Spanish Civil War. Maybe I'll go do some history reading.

      "We have here a forecast of the long history of American Politics, the mobilization of lower-class energy by upper-class politicians, for their own purposes"

      by island in alabama on Thu Mar 25, 2010 at 05:21:35 PM PDT

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    •  "Irrepressible conflict" has been used before (6+ / 0-)

      but you probably already knew that -- and what that particular "irrepressible conflict" ultimately led to.

    •  Amanda Marcotte has a nice (5+ / 0-)

      post from Monday (responing to a post from Digby) that I think explains nicely the fear and bizarre righteousness of those opposing the actions of a democratically elected President and Congress who are...Democrats.

      Real vs. Unreal Americans - Amanda Marcotte, Pandagon 3/22/10

      Digbyis amused/disgusted at conservatives who simply will not accept that having a majority in both houses of Congress and having the Presidency means that Democrats get to pass legislation.  It’s been a common theme---making arguments about how "the people" don’t want this, arguments that imply that the Democrats got power by sneaking in and taking it without anyone noticing.  

      It’s fairly clear that Republicans don’t understand how democracy works. You campaign, people vote, you win elections, you get a majority, you pass legislation. They seem to think Democracy means that that elections are irrelevant, majorities are meaningless and that all legislation is contingent upon the permission of the Republican Party.

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      Well, it’s simple, really.  They assume, if they don’t state it outright, that large numbers of American voters shouldn’t have the right to vote.  That’s the implicit argument when Sarah Palin praises white rural voters as "Real Americans", when Birthers obsess over the idea that the first black President simply can’t be eligible for office, when tea baggers yell racist and homophobic slurs at politicians, and when they insist that you eliminate black voters from the count if you want to find out how popular a politician "really" is. When Bart Stupak laughed out loud at the very idea that nuns have opinions worth listening to---and listed a bunch of men whose opinions were the ones that counted---you had a similar sentiment being expressed.  Universal suffrage seems like a fundamental part of democracy to liberals, but it appears that conservatives think it de-legitimizes the results of elections.  And that if you do something without Republicans on board, you’re eliminating those who represent the only people who count.

      It makes a lot of sense to me and, if true, shows just what we are up against in both passing meaningful legislation/effecting social change and soothing the opposition.  
       

    •  they just want (1+ / 0-)
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      Larsstephens

      License to steal or loot or whatever.

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