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  •  I dunno they (1+ / 0-)
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    jgilhousen

    sure did make the HRC all giddy.

    "As long as I think it might make [homophobic 'baggers] happy, I can never retire." - Barney Frank

    by indiemcemopants on Thu Mar 25, 2010 at 09:03:13 PM PDT

    •  The HRC doesn't understand this issue... (1+ / 0-)
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      JesseCW

      They never have, and likely never will. If DADT was healthcare reform, HRC would have given up even before Scott Brown was elected.

      •  Eh, these changes came (0+ / 0-)

        on the recommendation of the SLDN - who I don't think anyone would accuse of not understanding the issue - and they had pretty much the same reaction as HRC: we're pleased with this initiative, we wish it went further, and we'll continue to push for full repeal.

        Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

        by pico on Thu Mar 25, 2010 at 09:07:42 PM PDT

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        •  I love SLDN... (1+ / 0-)
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          JesseCW

          and I don't think they were "giddy" over these guidelines. At the end of the day, they really don't do that much. Are they better than nothing? Sure. But to the average gay servicemember, a life of deceit, lies and the threat of being outed and discharged remains the same.

          •  Who said they were giddy? (0+ / 0-)

            As I said above, both SLDN and HRC said "we're pleased with this initiative, we wish it went further, and we'll continue to push for full repeal."  That's a fair reading of both responses, I think.  

            indiemcemopants called HRC's reaction "giddy".

            Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

            by pico on Thu Mar 25, 2010 at 09:17:48 PM PDT

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            •  I was responding to indiemcemopants (1+ / 0-)
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              JesseCW

              in terms of his response to HRC being giddy.

              I have been pretty involved with this issue since 1994, and have a relatively decent understanding of how it works and what it means.

              As I said, are the lessening of draconian measures a bad thing? No. But I don't think it's that huge an adjustment, and this insiduous policy remains in effect.

              SLDN needs to be more diplomatic in their response than I do, and I understand that.

        •  SLDN's statement in today's Metro Weekly (0+ / 0-)

          Was excellent framing, IMO

          Alexander Nicholson, the executive director of Servicemembers United, said in a statement, ''The changes announced today by Secretary Gates constitute a solid first step to help reign in many of the abuses of the policy that have become common practice over the past seventeen years.''

          "Reigning in abuses that have become common practice over 17 years." Excellent word choice to praise with faint damning. They found a way to not look ungrateful and yet, still speak the truth: "Thanks for abusing us less."  

          "I am not guilty, I am not ashamed and I am not finished." --Lt. Dan Choi, 3/19/10

          by Scott Wooledge on Fri Mar 26, 2010 at 06:47:36 PM PDT

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