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  •  Speaking of agitprop ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... you can stop now.

    "So if you don't have any teeth, so what? ... Isn't that why they make applesauce?" -- GOP leader Rush Limbaugh

    by Seneca Doane on Sat Mar 27, 2010 at 05:38:07 PM PDT

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    •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

      Surely you don't think that the group would be invited to co-author a State Department report, right?  What is the point here?

      Oh, of course. Why should the US ask the opinion of Afghans themselves, especially that of an Afghan women's rights group whose most prominent voice is a former elected member of parliament?

      Since you can't figure it out, and since the truth about US military aggression from Vietnam to El Salvador to the current illegal invasion of Afghanistan has never meant shit to the blind sycophants of American exceptionalism, I'll let Malalai Joya answer you in her own words.

      From her book, "A Woman Among the Warlords".  

      "The people of Afghanistan are fed up with the occupation of their country and with the corrupt, Mafia-state of Hamid Karzai and the warlords and drug lords backed by NATO. It is clear now that the real motive of the U.S. and its allies, hidden behind the so-called "war on terror," was to convert Afghanistan into a military base in Central Asia and the capital of the world’s opium drug trade. Ordinary Afghan people are being used in this chess game, and western taxpayers’ money and the blood of soldiers is being wasted on this agenda that will only further destabilize the region".

      "I offer my condolences to the families here who have lost their loved ones. They are the victims of the wrong policy of your government. The families of Afghan civilians killed in this war share your feelings of loss. If we turn these sorrows into strength, we can end this war. Bringing the troops home at the end of 2011 is too late; the troops should be withdrawn as soon as possible, before more Afghan and American lives are needlessly lost."
      "As I write these words, Afghanistan is getting progressively worse.  We are caught between two enemies: the Taliban on one side and US/NATO forces and their warlord hirelings on the other. Obama's military buildup will only bring more suffering and death to inncoent civilians".(pg. 5)

      If the kool-aid crew took the time to read her book, they would learn the truth about the criminal destruction resulting from the US invasion. M. Joya repeatedly denounces Donald Rumsfeld's plan which restored warlords to power, condemning 30+ million Afghans to a brutal life under war criminals and human rights violators. She calls bullshit on the western media for faithfully providing alibis and disinformation  for the US puppet warlords by referring to them as the "Northern Alliance"--or the other favored propaganda name--"United Islamic Front for the Salvation of Afghanistan". She points out how the US public's attitude about the invasion was shaped by distortions, omissions and lies.
      Obama's Noble Prize speech demonstrates that the same Bush/Cheney lies will be parroted by a Democratic administration.

      "While the United States bombed from the sky, the CIA and special forces had already arrived in the northern provinces of Afghanistan to hand out millions of dollars in cash and weapons to "Northern Alliance" commanders. They were the same extremists whose militias had pillaged Afghanistan during the civil war: Dostum, Sayyaf, Khalili, Rhabbani, Fahim, General Arif, Dr. Abdullah, Haji Qadir, Ustad Atta, Mohammad, Daoud, and Hazrat Ali among others. The western media tried at the time to portray these warlords as "anti-Taliban resistance forces and liberators of Afghanistan," but in fact Afghan people believed they were no better than the Taliban." (pg 52)

      "Most people in the west have been led to believe that intolerance, brutality, and severe oppression of women in Afghanistan began with the Taliban regime. But this is a lie, more dust in the eyes of the world from the warlords who dominate the American-backed, so-called democratic government of Hamid Karzai. In truth, some of the worst atrocities in our recent past were committed during the civil war by the men who are now in power".(pg.26)

      "Some people say that when the troops withdraw, a civil war will break out. Often this prospect is raised by people who ignore the vicious conflict and humanitarian disaster that is already occurring in Afghanistan. The longer the foreign troops stay in Afghanistan, the worse the eventual civil war will be for the Afghan people. The terrible civil war that followed the Soviet withdrawal certainly could never justify the destruction and death caused by that decade-long occupation."(pg. 217)

      Those who mindlessly back what is now Obama's war will never read her book, however. They will ignore her, the way they ignored Thich Nhat Hahn on Vietnam and Archbishop Oscar Romero on El Salvador.

      It is both terribly sad and a source of astonishment to me how so many Americans, Republicans AND Democrats, care so little about the atrocities committed in their names.  

      Illegal Alien: Term used by the descendents of foreign colonizers to refer to the descendents of indigenous people

      by mojada on Sun Mar 28, 2010 at 12:03:24 AM PDT

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      •  So you're assuming that this report (0+ / 0-)

        didn't solicit "the opinion of Afghans themselves" (interesting use of the singular there)?  Read that section again (or, I suspect, for the first time) and explain why you think it excludes Afghan perspectives.  True, much of the information it presents is distilled from previous groups by groups like Human Rights Watch, which if they followed their customary policy would have had substantial contacts with native informants.  Now you can tell me why that's a bad thing.

        It doesn't seem to matter to you what's in the report, what matters to you is the opportunity to grind your ax in favoring a group with which I'll bet you yourself have no actual on-the-ground experience, because it makes the U.S. look bad.  In so doing, you give up the opportunity to use this report to improve U.S. policy.  Your priorities -- fighting a marginal battle to rehabilitate the reputation of RAWA as opposed to using this publication to improve the central debates -- are screwed up.  You exemplify the unfortunate radical tendency to debate only that which doesn't have a chance of influencing policy, while avoiding the dirty debates that may actually end up having some impact.  Yeah, debate about RAWA and not about what U.S. policy should be now.  See you when you're done.

        "Blind sycophants of American exceptionalism" -- good one!  I'll send it around to some of my friends from CISPES, back in the day, who will be glad to know that the sorts of people who would try to draw us away from any actions that might reach people and change their views on our wars are still out there.

        "So if you don't have any teeth, so what? ... Isn't that why they make applesauce?" -- GOP leader Rush Limbaugh

        by Seneca Doane on Sun Mar 28, 2010 at 10:30:53 AM PDT

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        •  Keep sucking down the kool-aid (0+ / 0-)

          Nice try, but utter failure in attempting to rationalize, excuse, and drum up support for another illegal mass murder operation, this time courtesy of a Democratic administration. But then, for a solid percentage of pwogs, being anti-war is only about being anti-Republican. Nothing else.

          And finally, speaking as someone who spent 30 months in Central America in the mid-80's volunteering as a medical assistant/interpreter in squalid rural orphanages while Obama's boy Bob Gates was calling for US airstrikes on Nicaraguan villages, the fact that you spent that time sipping lattes at CISPES meetings doesn't exactly impress.

          Illegal Alien: Term used by the descendents of foreign colonizers to refer to the descendents of indigenous people

          by mojada on Sun Mar 28, 2010 at 03:33:10 PM PDT

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          •  Actually, we didn't have lattes in 1979 (0+ / 0-)

            but good for you that you did such good work 25 years ago.  Were you already an asshole by then, or is this some sort of PTSD?

            I'll tell you what: when you and yours have brought around the worker's revolution, you can personally put me up against the wall and shoot me in my pwoggy little head.  In the meantime, I'm going to keep trying to solve problems to the best extent that seems possible rather than pretending that sarcastic complaining and asserting one's superiority for refusing to engage the system as it exists does anyone much good.

            For a solid percentage of those who use the term "pwogs," being anti-war has nothing to do with actually stopping war and everything with narcissistic self-celebration.

            "So if you don't have any teeth, so what? ... Isn't that why they make applesauce?" -- GOP leader Rush Limbaugh

            by Seneca Doane on Sun Mar 28, 2010 at 07:20:14 PM PDT

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            •  Ain't that special (0+ / 0-)

              I'm going to keep trying to solve problems to the best extent that seems possible

              Is that what you call what you're doing?

              Christ, no wonder politicians don't give two shits about public opinion.

              1979, huh? I bet that was a painful year for you, watching the Reagan trainwreck approaching at warp speed, knowing you'd soon have to pretend to reject the policies of the two-faced Jesus freak you'd spent so much time obediently shilling for. Interesting how the Carter years are a perfect historical mirror image of where you neo-liberal pwogs are now.

              Remember how just a little over a year after assuming office, Carter ramped up U.S. military aid to Suharto even as he continued to murder Timorese families?
              By the time your pious Georgia Democrat left office, over 175,000 people had been massacred. The piss-yellah-dawg Dems didn't as much as squeak. Obama is so much like Carter it's downright eerie. Remember When asked if the U.S. owed any debt to Vietnam, a country it "bombed back to the stone-age" at a cost of three million Vietnamese lives? Carter's casual response was, "Well, the destruction was mutual." Priceless. Not a peep from the peanut gallery.

              Remember when Carter visited the Shah in '79, and praised him for his "progressive administration" while at the same time the Shah's military and SAVAK death squads were torturing and murdering thousands of unarmed political opponents? Today, Obama says Karzai is "making progress". And you just suck it up.

              How about when the Sandinistas threw Anastasio Somoza out of Nicaragua? Carter ordered them to retain the Guardia, Somoza's elite squad of American-trained killers. The Sandinistas said no dice. So what does Carter do? He has the CIA fly up the military torturers running the death squads in Argentina (yet another Democrat-endorsed bloobath) to train former Guardia and other mercs in Honduras for terror ops across the border. Remember the Contras? Today Obama has Triple Canopy, Xe, and DynCorp.
              Pwog response? In a word, predictable.

              Jimmy the Geek and El Salvador? You ever been there? I met a few CISPES trust-funders at the airport in San Juan once around '82. They'd been down picking coffee on a farm well outside the conflict zones for a couple weeks. The way they talked you'd think they'd taken out D'Aubuisson and ARENA all by themselves. Real camaradas. One guy was especially proud of his Che t-shirt. That wasn't you, was it? Or did you just hang out at meetings stateside, stooging for the feds? I bet that's it. You've got the right  personality type.

              By Oct. '79, Carter's Commandos were slaughtering upwards of 900 students, workers, and peasants per month. Almost 10,000 in '80. Carter sent millions in aid and riot equipment to the Salvadoran military, flew in US advisors and trained Salvadoran death squads in Panama. The Carter Administration kept it up all through 1980, until the murder of the four Maryknoll nuns in December. This ring any bells, hotshot?
              But hey, ancient history, right? You got Obama now. A NEW kinda Democrat. And he's definitely gonna do ol' Jimmy one better. According to the wire a pregnant hajji gets you an extra hit of smack. And only lame fucks who've never been in a war zone crack jokes about PTSD.  
              Remember when Carter asserted that human rights were to be "the soul of our foreign policy?"

              I just bet you loved the guy. That's exactly the kind of breathtaking hypocrisy that elicits moans of admiration from the familiar crew of trembling assimilated conformists, desperate to eradicate the emotional pain that comes with having no honor,
              no principles, and no convictions. It comes as no surprise that you would go to any length to defend the policies of the current president, no matter how abhorrent.

              It's weird. You know what I think of almost every time I interact with someone like you? Around '94 or so I sat in on a lecture at some think tank near Stanford. Some in-tel-leck-tual was criticizing the methods used during the U.S.intervention in Somalia. And he says something like, "See, the trouble we have in regards to foreign affairs is that the elite Western upper-class technocrats who make the decisions hate their own culture. They're self-haters, so they called for an end to imperialism and
              colonialism. And this is tragic, because only societies of great virtue can embark on missions as noble as colonialism and third-world intervention. We should attempt once again to save the savages of the world from their wretched fate. The Europeans did it, reaping great rewards. But then these weak intellectuals who despise their own cultures forced them to stop. So we're stuck with barbarians everywhere".

              That guy, he was singing your song.

              You see, in a very significant way, "Democrats" such as yourself share a unique characteristic with the "teabagger" tribe when it comes to US politics: facts are irrelevant.

              Like Samuel Huntington, preeminent American imperialist "intellectual" and pseudo-historian, you're convinced that the US must firmly preserve its "international primacy" for the well-being of the entire globe, since "American national identity is defined by a set of universal political and economic values," which are "liberty,  democracy, equality, private property, and markets." In accepting this ideology as revealed truth, when it comes to assessing the veracity of official US commitment to human rights, those such as yourself immediately reject evidence of the close correlation between US economic and military aid to developing nations and government use of extrajudicial killings and torture by those same nations, a pattern virtually uninterrupted throughout history.

              And so, once again, the pwogs stood by passively as on Dec.'89 US forces bombed slums in Panama, killing hundreds of civilians. Elliott Abrams remarked that for the first time the US could attack anyone worrying about a Soviet response. The media
              rubber-stamped it as a noble endeavor, and the sheep stood and clapped on cue.

              Human rights? Bah. Now as before, under Obama human rights have purely cosmetic value in American culture; they are public relations tools, nothing more.

              The difference between people like me and people like you is this: I don't believe in
              Lesser-Evilism, or in the infantile notion that everything bad can and should be blamed on Republicans. I don't believe that Dem politicians get a pass when attempting to camouflage their crimes with patriotic bullshit and blatant lying.

              I know a truth that you've yet to learn: If you have to lie about something, that something is wrong.

              What kind of person are you that you can only stomach your party's policies by dressing them up as flattering fantasies? Why is it that you have to lie so often to yourself, about yourself, in order to live with yourself?

              The fact is, the mainstream majority of Democratic voters have proven that they are helpless. It no longer even matters how many elections Democrats win, or how horribly reactionary Republican policies damage the country or the world. There's just no way to do anything differently. Because Obama, after campaigning one way but now governing another, like Dems and Reps always do, admits that everything is all screwed up but informs us that it must remain that way because once, long ago, powerful interests determined it must be so.

              And so here we are. Political leaders and the corporate class of wealthy investors do as they please, and the rabble is told that single payer is impossible because the private sector doesn't want it. Afghanistan is a terrible nightmare, but we're already there so we have to keep killing. Obama embraced Bush policies of indefinite detention
              without charge or trial and then protected Bush admin officials from prosecution for creating secret prisons, extraordinary rendition programs, and an incarceration policy where suspects are "legally" tortured.

              Don't worry, SD. There won't be any revolutions. You and yours will see to that. As for firing squads, please. Your moral and spiritual death pains me enough already.

              The fearful, fainthearted behavior of mainstream Dem voters is an indication of abject cowardice, a dearth of moral principles, and their inevitable permanent political paralysis.

              You stand for nothing. All you will ever be is a spectator, begging for scraps from the corporate table.

              Illegal Alien: Term used by the descendents of foreign colonizers to refer to the descendents of indigenous people

              by mojada on Tue Mar 30, 2010 at 01:36:33 AM PDT

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              •  I know that this will disappoint you (0+ / 0-)

                but I didn't read past your comment header.  Ain't that special?

                "So if you don't have any teeth, so what? ... Isn't that why they make applesauce?" -- GOP leader Rush Limbaugh

                by Seneca Doane on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 06:22:38 PM PDT

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