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  •  Pelosi doing good job- Ried-not so much (3+ / 0-)
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    •  I disagree. I lost any respect for her (3+ / 0-)
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      when she took impeachment off the table. Her performance since then, following the leader in kicking dust in everyones eyes in the name of "looking forward", disgusts me no less. That she could corral a bunch of Democrats to vote for Republican legislation really isn't particularly difficult, IMHO.

      It is what they do.

      A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

      by nippersdad on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 11:18:33 AM PDT

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      •  I don't think she took it off the table (3+ / 0-)
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        I think she recognized that it was off the table, since her majority largely rested on "New Democrat" assholes.

        Satrap Wanted. Lawless Central Asian region needs firm hand. Compensation paid in Opium, or an equal weight in Catamites. Must stay bought!

        by JesseCW on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 11:50:33 AM PDT

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        •  Maybe, more likely to cover the asses (3+ / 0-)
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          of those Democrats who enabled the mess, IMHO. However, what is the point of a majority without a difference, so to speak? I would rather a House minority leader who lead out of, rather than followed the crowd into a burning building.

          You may not get much done, but equally you won't spend the rest of your career and all of your political capital trying to cover up the past and can truly "look forward" with a degree of integrity.

          A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

          by nippersdad on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 11:56:44 AM PDT

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        •  it was still ridiculous (6+ / 0-)

          She basically gave the Bush administration a carte blanche.  Impeachment should not have been declared to be "off the table" without any idea of what possible grounds for impeachment would be.

          It's like declaring a person immune to criminal arrest.

          Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room.

          by RickD on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 12:11:51 PM PDT

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          •  If there is one thing that our Democratic (5+ / 0-)
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            majorities have perfected, it is the process by which pols are declared immune from commonly held American ideas of justice.

            A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

            by nippersdad on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 12:18:39 PM PDT

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            •  The other thing our Dem Leaders know how to do... (5+ / 0-)

              Is construct a kabuki play which constantly recycles the same old reasons why nothing truly progressive / liberal can be accomplished.

              It's the Rethuglicans fault.

              It's Lieberman's fault.

              We need to be bipartisan.

              We need to be moderate.

              It's the best we can hope for.

              He knows what he's doing.

              Give him time.

              It's only been 6, 9, 12, 15 16 months.

              He can't fix everything at once.

              November Slogan: Pragmatic Moderation Corporations Can Believe In

              by Johnathan Ivan on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 12:48:33 PM PDT

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        •  It was BS. Reid took reconciliation off the (5+ / 0-)

          table in 2009.

          Lieberman then threatened to fillibuster.

          The senate only had 50x votes for the PO.  Not 60.  Hence, we couldn't have the PO.

          1.  Senators begin publicly signing an intent to support the PO.  The numbers kept going up, putting pressure on Reid & the Blue Dogs / Corporatists.

          It would be unseemly to force the Democratic Senate to kill the PO now that only 50 votes were needed.  The Senators going public in their support meant that they most likely could not be forced to kill the PO - such a public display and then a reversal would be a PR nightmare.  They were innoculating themselves against pressure to kill the PO.

          Nancy was the hero.  With it looking ever likely that 50 Senators would support a PO - thereby forcing the PO on Obama's desk, something had to be done.

          Nancy stepped up to the plate and took PO off the table cause "the Senate didn't have the votes".  

          Utter Bullshit.  Why should Nancy want to be the one to save the Senate?  Why didn't Nancy "take it off the table" in 2009, when we KNEW there weren't 60 votes for it in the Senate?

          Odd how when the PO couldn't possibly get to 60, Nancy left it on the table.  Strange how when we only needed fifty with 40 Sens publicly declaring their support that Nancy steps in to kill the PO.

          The absurdity of this bullshit is that too many people bought it.

          Nancy can kill the PO - she's in one of the safest districts in the land.  

          And it saved the Democratic Senate from finding 10 Dem Senators to vote against the PO (we only needed 50 + Biden to pass it).

          My belief in Nancy Pelosi being anti-corporatist is about as strong as my belief that Obama keeps Geithner, Bernanke, and Summers around because "they know where the bodies are burried".  

          November Slogan: Pragmatic Moderation Corporations Can Believe In

          by Johnathan Ivan on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 12:46:02 PM PDT

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          •  Why have we not seen more of you? (1+ / 0-)
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            Welcome to the fight! I think this could be the beginning........

            A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

            by nippersdad on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 02:40:17 PM PDT

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            •  Thanks ND =) I finally started having more "wake (2+ / 0-)
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              up" moments late last year.

              Now that I look back, I'm astounded that I ever thought Obama was some liberal / progressive who was going to shake things up and begin to roll back the hyper-corporatism policies this country has been implementing since Reagan.

              Hell, even Reagan through executives affiliated with the S&L crisis in the 80's in JAIL.  And that was just for screwing over taxpayers to the tune of 8 billion piffling dollars.

              Ronnie, what a left wing radical he looks like in hindsight.

              Who knew?

              /snark

              November Slogan: Pragmatic Moderation Corporations Can Believe In

              by Johnathan Ivan on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 03:13:26 PM PDT

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          •  She's Also Worth According To Some Estimates (1+ / 0-)
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            Nancy can kill the PO - she's in one of the safest districts in the land

            92 million dollars.

            <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

            by superscalar on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 06:21:48 PM PDT

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      •  hear what your saying- (0+ / 0-)
        but she has done an effective job of getting stuff passed
        •  Credit Card Reform and HCR haven't exactly (3+ / 0-)
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          harmed the industries they targeted.  

          Credit Card companies found & used the loopholes.

          HCR - Insurance Co's still practice the same bullshit and their stocks went UP, not DOWN, when the final HCR bill became known.

          November Slogan: Pragmatic Moderation Corporations Can Believe In

          by Johnathan Ivan on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 12:49:49 PM PDT

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          •  both credit card and HCRshould have been better (1+ / 0-)
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            but short term stock  gains by insurance companies shouldn't be used as a measure of the bill's success or failure
          •  maybe we should just agree (5+ / 0-)
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            that greenspan is a lying weasle
            •  Prost! I think that is something we can all (1+ / 0-)
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              agree on. Well, almost all of us can agree on that. I think Vogel et al work for these guys. :)

              A Republican is someone who can't enjoy his privileged position unless he is certain that somewhere, someone is in excruciating agony. I Love OCD

              by nippersdad on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 02:43:28 PM PDT

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          •  Check out factcheck.org (1+ / 0-)
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            http://www.factcheck.org/...

            Howard Dean said on the Today Show on Dec. 20: "It is not a coincidence, David Gregory, that insurance company stocks, health insurance company stocks, hit a 52-year high on Friday. So they must know something that the rest of us don’t."

            Factcheck.org
            "UnitedHealth Group stock, for example, was being traded at a high of $32 on Dec. 18. That’s near the company’s 52-week high of $33.25 (as of Dec. 22). But the company’s stock price was actually down by more than $20 from the same time two years ago. On Dec. 18, 2007, UnitedHealth’s stock traded at a high of $57.47 a share.
            Other big health insurance companies have experienced similar trends."

    •  Pelosi took the PO "off the table" when it (2+ / 0-)
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      appeared there might be too many Senators going on the record to support it.

      I lost all love for Pelsoi after that little act of discraceful kabuki.

      November Slogan: Pragmatic Moderation Corporations Can Believe In

      by Johnathan Ivan on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 12:38:17 PM PDT

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