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  •  Poets and pickpockets. (3+ / 0-)
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    valadon, Andhakari, jethrock

    It's also the role of poets to write poetry, and pickpockets to steal.  

    So?   Shall we allow pickpockets on the same basis as poets?  

    Look up some history about what the missionaries did to the Native populations in the US.  

    You'll never think of "missionaries" in quite the same way again.  

    •  I'm talking about modern day missionaries... (0+ / 0-)

      And I'm sorry, but I'm not following what the comparison is by poets and pickpockets.  

      I only threw missionaries out there, because they do have a purpose of spreading their religion.  Yet, missionaries that I know don't do it in a violent way.  I mentioned in another comment on here that I live in a predominantly Mormon area (although I'm not Mormon) and I've seen many guys I know go off on their mission.  They weren't violent in the least about it though.  In fact every Mormon missionary I've ever run into (and I've run into a lot!) are always really nice.  I actually have a funny story about that.  One of my co-workers and I were taking our break and as we were walking back to work these 2 Mormon missionary came riding up to us on their bikes.  They tried to talk us into it all and what they failed to realize was that I'm Muslim and my co-worker is gay...it was kind of funny, but they had no idea so we just started messing with them acting as if we were so interested.

      •  there are a few missionaries I'd like to... (0+ / 0-)

        .. throw out too, as in, right into the Dumpster.  

        For the most part, your Mormon missionaries are innocent people engaged in nothing worse than persuasion, which is fine by me.

        But when the LDS Church funded Prop8 in California, they overstepped the moral boundaries and engaged in promoting absolutism at the expense of civil rights.  For which they should have had their tax exemption yanked.  

        And when the Vatican promotes laws around the world that deny people access to contraception, not only are they interfering with civil rights, they are condemning entire generations to the desperate poverty and starvation and deadly diseases that are the inevitable result when population overshoots ecological carrying capacity in a region.  

        •  Definitely agree... (2+ / 0-)
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          G2geek, Floja Roja

          But when the LDS Church funded Prop8 in California, they overstepped the moral boundaries and engaged in promoting absolutism at the expense of civil rights.  For which they should have had their tax exemption yanked.  

          Their tax exemption should have been immediately taken away for that.  I think they definitely crossed the line with that as well.  

          And when the Vatican promotes laws around the world that deny people access to contraception, not only are they interfering with civil rights, they are condemning entire generations to the desperate poverty and starvation and deadly diseases that are the inevitable result when population overshoots ecological carrying capacity in a region.  

          And I agree with that as well.  

          I'm somebody that simply believes in if somebody wants to know about my faith I'd gladly tell them all about it.  And if there are some questions I cannot answer, I'd give them resources for it.  But will I force my beliefs on to others?  Hell no!  I don't understand why people do not understand you cannot force others to believe in what you believe and you cannot force others to live by what you think is right or wrong.  That's exactly why I'm pro-choice.  I would never get an abortion, but I think it's up to every woman to make that decision herself.  Ugh...I wish I could find more people that belong to a religion (preferably one of the Abrahamic religions) that saw things like I did.  Unfortunately, these days we seemed to be consumed with those that have a twisted view of religion and are willing to force their beliefs on to others.

          •  Martin Luther King, Desmond Tutu... (1+ / 0-)
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            Medina Mahmoud

            ...plenty of progressive activists from within all branches of the Abrahamic religions; those two being the ones that came to mind immediately.  

            What's happened is that the nuts have for now captured the spotlight.  It's up to the rest of us to take it away from them.  

            •  While those people are amazing figures (2+ / 0-)
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              zett, G2geek

              that represented progressive beliefs, I meant I wish I could meet people where I live.  That's quite difficult though.

              You know what, I saw this really interesting video yesterday that was talking about Islam.  It said how when it was discovered, it was a progressive religion and was used as a tool to enlighten and progress society.  Yet, it seems as though many Muslims do not follow that progressive mentality.  And I realized maybe that's why I'm such a progressive...maybe that's exactly what I've taken away from my faith.  There are some things in the Holy Qur'an that is vague and it is said that maybe some things were left vague, because society as a whole is supposed to progress.  So those vague parts are supposed to be used to follow society's progressions.  It was quite interesting overall, because I never thought of it all like that until yesterday.  But I guess you learn something new everyday :)

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