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  •  So, as a cyclist I should just wear a weapon (4+ / 0-)

    on my left hip and cars will not try to run me over anymore?

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    -Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 07:32:01 AM PDT

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    •  Oh, come on (0+ / 0-)

      reducto ad absurdum.

      Have you ever had your life threatened by a group of people who held no respect for your right to exist?

      There are times to turn the other cheek, and there are times to protect yourself because no one else will, or is there to do so.

      There is no sin in defending one's own life.

      Shooting wolves from planes is to hunting, what hiring a prostitute is to dating.-Shannyn Moore

      by zzyzx on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 08:32:24 AM PDT

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      •  I'm actually not kidding, (2+ / 0-)
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        since I'm a cyclist and have had quite a number of things thrown at me, as well as have been run off the road.

        Assault with a deadly weapon can include CARS, you know.

        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        -Spike Milligan

        by polecat on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 08:37:02 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, I've been there too. (2+ / 0-)
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          But it is a very distinct difference in situations- the cars that buzz us aren't doing it because of our belifs, personality or affiliations. Plus, they tend to come up from behind. It's more a matter of rude inconsideration, lack of attention or impatience. In other words it's situational, not personal.

          Whereas an attack or confrontation by would-be gay-basher(s), most certainly is, by definition, a personal attack.

          That's why I'm having a hard time following your logic here, though I generally understand/agree with many of your comments- you've lost me on this one!

          FWIW, I have also been run off the road, done somersaults (3) over the hood of a Monte Carlo, and so forth. I can't think of any of those situations where having a firearm would have improved anything.

          Now, paintball guns? That's another story. :D

          Shooting wolves from planes is to hunting, what hiring a prostitute is to dating.-Shannyn Moore

          by zzyzx on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 08:54:41 AM PDT

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    •  I understand, but ... seriously? (0+ / 0-)

      Sorry to pile on, but the pink pistols thing is about carrying concealed weapons for defense. Carrying a weapon out in the open preventatively is pretty fucking creepy at the least and provocative at worst. Open weapons create an atmosphere of intimidation.

      I am increasingly leaning toward videotaping every ride I do on for the record and would love to be able to carry a concealed handgun, were it legal. It's a jungle out there.

      •  Open weapons decidedly DO create intimidation. (0+ / 0-)

        But unless enough people are carrying concealed weapons, they have no deterrence effect at all... and most people are harmed by their own weapons.

        So I have to wonder if concealed weapons will make much of a difference.

        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        -Spike Milligan

        by polecat on Wed Mar 31, 2010 at 12:26:06 PM PDT

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        •  My concealed weapon might make a diff for me. (0+ / 0-)

          Good defensive riding practices will protect me from those who are careless and in a hurry, though the drunks and the cellphone talkers may do me in. A nice, small firearm may save me though in the occasional case of a young macho-man road rage that I encounter. I am not sure whether a large number of people with concealed weapons has a deterrent effect or not, but I do know that having one myself would not be likely to result in it being used against me. Call me a psycho, but I have enough aggression that the hesitation to harm another person in my own defense, the hesitation that causes many handguns to be used against their owners, is absent in me.

          I was mugged once and there were three of them and one of me, but I still drew enough blood that the cops could take a sample. I was unarmed. Luckily, a guy walked around the corner with his dogs before they killed me, since my instinct to fight back was foolish as an unarmed pedestrian fighting guts with a pipe and a knife.

          Anyhow, my main point is that I want the ability to legally carry a concealed weapon. I will brush up on my shooting skills if given that right. I support concealed carry for sane, law-abiding citizens. I oppose open carry, since I think it creates a visually intimidating atmosphere and would result in a personal arms race.

          All of this is the POV of a straight white man. I cannot help but think that if I were in a group more frequently victimized, especially if I were gay, I would just go ahead and break the law and carry under the current law.

          Oddly, in my state, it is currently deemed "legal", though rare, to carry openly, but concealed carry is illegal.

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