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  •  Cutbacks on California's public transit (5+ / 0-)

    are highly important to some people.  For your information, I don't have a car, and also use public transport, including Caltrain, buses, and streetcars, all three of which have suffered major cutbacks, and I don't have enough goddamned money to buy a car.  I don't know whether the diarist does or not.  You're saying I need a violin?

    "Arguments are to be avoided. They are always vulgar, and are often convincing." -- Oscar Wilde

    by Villagejonesy on Thu Apr 01, 2010 at 04:23:48 PM PDT

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    •  To me the diarist... (0+ / 0-)

      sounded like he/she did not want to buy a car...not could not afford a car...it was a choice...it was also a choice how far away from the workplace he/she lived...

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      by dvogel001 on Thu Apr 01, 2010 at 04:52:32 PM PDT

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      •  READ the diary. (5+ / 0-)

        I have a choice.

        Some do not.

        there are less affluent people who have made major life decisions based on what could be assumed would be the rock-solid option of taking that train to and from work every day. Without the capability to get home midday, or worse yet not be able to get home at all if they must work past 8 PM, the choices will be bleak. The Recovery Act will be causing people who already have jobs to make major life changes or lose their job. That's not stimulus.

        I choose to support transit, and it makes some things easier for me. For many, they are critical.

        •  True... (1+ / 0-)
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          but should we be all be paying for trains that are used at 20% of capacity all day just for the convenience of going home midday once in a while?

          Sounds to me like a poor allocation of scarce taxpayer dollars...

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          by dvogel001 on Thu Apr 01, 2010 at 05:13:10 PM PDT

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          •  Rec'd for substantial debate (1+ / 0-)
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            though I agree with the diarist.

            I have no option to see friends in San Francisco without those weekend trains, without borrowing a car.  But if we're to say "well, friends, and those who commute to work on weekends, have to take a back seat to standard weekday jobs, when it comes to taxpayer dollars," then fine; but that still means that our San Francisco/Bay Area streetcars and buses, along with (I assume) many other urban areas nationwide, ought not to be allowed to fail.  If that takes the federal government stepping in and funding them, that's what should be done, IMO.

            "Arguments are to be avoided. They are always vulgar, and are often convincing." -- Oscar Wilde

            by Villagejonesy on Thu Apr 01, 2010 at 07:05:45 PM PDT

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          •  Here's the fallacy... (0+ / 0-)

            If I need the convenience of being able to go home midday once in a while, and there is no train, then I buy a car. Once I've sunk the many thousands of dollars into that proposition, I will just drive. Next thing you know, the peak trains are 20% of capacity.

            The only reason the peak trains are viable is because the off-peak trains exist.

            •  Or like other businesses I have worked... (0+ / 0-)

              for in NYC that subsidize their staff mass transit fare agree in an emergency to provide transportation home (limit of 3 times per year) at company expense

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              by dvogel001 on Fri Apr 02, 2010 at 02:29:41 AM PDT

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