Skip to main content

View Diary: Look who is coming to the aid of a Somali war criminal. (19 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  Hmmm-I missed the part where this guy... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Karl Rover

    was on an official Somalian diplomatic mission. I see this as more a case like this than Clinton v Serbia.

    "Not smuggling--SNUGGLING. Tea baggers love sheep SNUGGLING! Do I have to draw you a friggin' picture?" Homogenius

    by liberte on Sat Apr 03, 2010 at 08:16:51 PM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  Empty threats (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      burrow owl

      Suing and harassing members or former members of government is a policy bound to fail. Doubt me on that? Then tell me why it has a 100% failure rate so far?

      And as I stated before, the best method of carrying out international jurisprudence is through an international court with jurisdiction in the matter - as happened with Milosevic or Charles Taylor - not through petty actions in local courts. Those are feel good measures which don't impact the cause of justice or reconciliation.

      "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

      by Shane Hensinger on Sat Apr 03, 2010 at 08:24:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Chuckie Taylor (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        liberte, JesseCW

        While Charles Taylor Sr. was tried by an international court, his son Chuckie was tried and convicted by a US court. A civil suit brought against him by several victims was successful as well.

        link

        •  Chuckie Taylor was not the leader of Liberia (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          burrow owl

          Charles Taylor was - see the difference?

          "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

          by Shane Hensinger on Sat Apr 03, 2010 at 09:15:09 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  What you said (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            liberte, JesseCW

            Suing and harassing members or former members of government is a policy bound to fail. Doubt me on that? Then tell me why it has a 100% failure rate so far?

            You did not restrict your claim to leaders of countries.

            •  Also Noriega (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              liberte, JesseCW

              Tried and convicted by US District Court in Florida.

              •  Also Marcos n/t (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                liberte, JesseCW
              •  Yep - all deposed (0+ / 0-)

                Please point me out a single official who has been arrested while serving in government and was on an official trip abroad when it happened?

                It is a violation of the Vienna Protocols to do - it is illegal under international law to do so. The aberrant cases you're pointing out all involve long-deposed leaders. And in the case of Chuckie Taylor he was a US CITIZEN - which is how he could be prosecuted.

                "The two pioneering forces of modern sensibility are Jewish moral seriousness and homosexual aestheticism and irony." Susan Sontag

                by Shane Hensinger on Sat Apr 03, 2010 at 09:48:15 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Goalpost shifting (3+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  liberte, Anorish, JesseCW

                  Please refer to your original contention:

                  Suing and harassing members or former members of government is a policy bound to fail. Doubt me on that? Then tell me why it has a 100% failure rate so far?

                  Your original goalpost shift was to suggest that Chuckie Taylor was not covered by your 100% failure rate claim because he was not the leader of the country.. I pointed out that your claim was not limited to leaders, since you specifically included "members of government" in your claim.

                  Your latest post is not so much a goalpost shift as a stadium shift...

                  Your original contention specifically included "former" members of government. You are now adding a new provision, which is that the official must be serving in government.. this new detail is in direct opposition to your original claim.

                  And for the purposes of this diary, which is after all the reason for this discussion, one can hardly argue that the Somali leader is currently serving in government..

                  These goalpost-shifting dialogues seem to end up a bit rope-a-dope, since new qualifications and changes can be tossed in forever.. so returning once again to your original claim: I believe that this contention: "Suing and harassing members or former members of government is a policy bound to fail... a 100% failure rate so far" has been proven false.

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site