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  •  violations don't necessarily go fixed (5+ / 0-)

    they just resort to MTR instead, which eliminates the jobs.  Coal miners are underpaid as it is.

    "There are several causes for which I'd die, but none for which I'd kill."-Ghandi

    by CharlesCorra12 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 at 07:26:36 PM PDT

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    •  MTR == Mountain Top Removal? (1+ / 0-)
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      Mining is not exactly an area of strength for me, so a little patiences ---

      Are Mountain Top Removal and deep shaft mining complete substitutes?  Are there coal deposits appropriate to one that wouldn't make sense for the other?

      Part of me wants to say it's better to lose your job than to lose your life, but having been unemployed for much too long now, I'm not sure I can be that glib.

      Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

      by dinotrac on Mon Apr 05, 2010 at 07:34:51 PM PDT

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      •  MTR - Mountaintop Removal yes, sorry... (4+ / 0-)
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        i forget sometimes.  Its a huge issue in the state.  MTR is just a cheap and efficient substitute because it employs less people and mines a ton more coal.  It just rapes the environment.  They aren't necessarily subsitutues for safety reasons but yes, that is one of the biggest concerns with getting rid of MTR.

        "There are several causes for which I'd die, but none for which I'd kill."-Ghandi

        by CharlesCorra12 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 at 07:36:33 PM PDT

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        •  I hate mountaintop removal for other reasons (2+ / 0-)
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          altogether, but getting rid of jobs is a mighty fine reason, too.

          Actually spun me for a second there to one of my pet issues on renewable energy ---

          So many shiny tales of photovoltaic cells and big windmills and cool stuff like that, but...

          while somebody is trying to figure out maximal energy efficiency, I sure hope they are working on things like jobs that can gainfully employ people who mine things now, and not just white jumpered techs in silicon fab clean rooms.

          Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

          by dinotrac on Mon Apr 05, 2010 at 07:42:06 PM PDT

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          •  people have a hard time (3+ / 0-)
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            accepting that west virginia needs to move beyond coal to a more reliable and renewable energy.  Its the foundation of the state's economy, which is going to be a problem in the future.

            Mountaintop Removal is terrible

            "There are several causes for which I'd die, but none for which I'd kill."-Ghandi

            by CharlesCorra12 on Mon Apr 05, 2010 at 07:43:51 PM PDT

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            •  Between double carbon intensity, all kinds of (1+ / 0-)
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              poisonous crap within, horrible working conditions and environmental disaster, it sure sounds like a great laboratory clean energy strategies.

              I wonder...

              I keep thinking that some labor-intense, capital cheap strategies might be able to make a dent in the third-world, if only they would get developed.  I wonder how much intense West Virginia labor could be thrown at pilot projects, etc?

              Throw enough spaghetti at the wall...

              Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

              by dinotrac on Mon Apr 05, 2010 at 07:48:03 PM PDT

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            •  It is a shame (1+ / 0-)
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              that WV see coal as their economic savior.  It should be eco-tourism.

              Every square inch of WV that I've seen is more beautiful than the next.  Raft, kayak, ski, hike, climb, rappel, bike, hunt, fish...shame that industry isn't viewed as an important cog in WV's economic wheel.

              Give me government-run healthcare over Wall Street-run healthcare anyday...

              by trillian on Mon Apr 05, 2010 at 09:25:32 PM PDT

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