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  •  It's not authoritarian (0+ / 0-)

    to acknowledge the need for authority. How about we take a look at what words actually mean rather than just making shit up that confirms our own prejudices for us ok?


    1. Characteristic of an absolute ruler or absolute rule; having absolute sovereignty
    1. Expecting unquestioning obedience

    Which is of course totally just like asking that people acknowledging the authority of the state to intervene in the lives of it's citizens in order to secure the greater good. This is the exact same argument that Libertarians make. For them, demanding that they accede to the social contract on matters like taxation and other things important to them is just like Hitler.

    So we can see that in both cases from the left and the right there is a totalizing, black or white, all or nothing mindset.

    "if you trust government with your welfare, you can trust it not to abuse your sovereignty."

    Yet another Libertarian concept, the delusion that we are all sovereign individuals. Nope, sorry, you are not sovereign. You aren't even individual, not in your psyche, not in your social identity nor even in your survival. In all those your are part of a collective. Alone with no social group you will go mad, alone you will fail to survive. This Libertarian delusion that we are sovereign individuals is a phantasy of the highest order.

    "If I thought that some very real, expedient due process existed within our system for every human being caught in the grasp of the government"

    I don't know what planet you're on but on this one there very much is due process in the US. My guess is that you are on planet conspiracy theory.

    Shut up! It's Daddy you shit-head. Where's my bourbon?!

    by MnplsLiberal on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 05:52:53 PM PDT

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    •  Right, we've got tons of due process. (0+ / 0-)

      So long as you are not accused of being a terrorist by our government. Is the idea that you just don't count after the US Government has accused you of being a terrorist?

      •  Not a clue what you're talking about (0+ / 0-)

        there Adam. Oh... I see... OBAMA IS JUST LIKE BUSH!! WOOHOOO!!!

        Shut up! It's Daddy you shit-head. Where's my bourbon?!

        by MnplsLiberal on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 10:31:09 PM PDT

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        •  You haven't any idea at all? (0+ / 0-)

          I just kinda can't believe that you really haven't heard anything at all about humans accused of terrorism being provided very minimal due process, and in some cases none at all.

          I could offer a few sources to help you learn a bit more about the situation, but given your basic assumption that I equate the current President with the last one, I have my doubts that you would be interested in reading those sources.

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