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  •  Phelps (7+ / 0-)

    The Westboro Baptist Church only differs in tactics from the rest of the religious right. Their "God hates America" rant is a little stronger than usual for the religious right, but quite similar. Falwell apologized for his "You helped make this happen" speech after 9/11, and then under the radar, semi-unapologized. The idea that divine protection is removed by "ungodly secularism" has become standard fare for the religious right. It's an idea that says pretty blatantly that people are placed in physical danger because of someone else being "ungodly", and the implications of this are dangerous.

    The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

    by A Citizen on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 08:44:00 AM PDT

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    •  Phelps will never apologize for anything (6+ / 0-)

      his whole schtick is to incite lawsuits.  He was disbarred from practicing law in Kansas because he was so unethical in his frivolous lawsuits and his despicable tactics towards his fellow members of the bar.

      This is merely his way of fundraising. Get sued. Win on 1st amendment rights then fleece his opponent for costs and damages.

    •  It's really something of a misnomer to (1+ / 0-)
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      lump them with "the rest of the religious right." Nobody else shares the views of the WBC. Some of the best counterprotestors against them are the Patriot Riders, who specialize in guarding military funerals from the WBC. They're a mostly rightwing group whose core is a bunch of middle-aged veterans with Harleys. They carry big flags to shield the funeral party from the Phelps clan, rev the bikes up when necessary to drown out the chanting, and have the discipline to avoid direct conflict.
         The right wing likes to point out that Fred Phelps is a former Democratic fund-raiser who was invited to the 1992 inaugural by Al Gore. He became adept as a civil law attorney originally by filing civil rights suits on behalf of African-Americans in Kansas who were victims of dicrimination. They like to claim that he's really one of us. Nobody wants to stand with the WBC!

      -5.12, -5.23

      We are men of action; lies do not become us.

      by ER Doc on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 10:45:17 AM PDT

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      •  I disagree. (2+ / 0-)
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        Their views are widely shared in the religious right. It's their tactics that are not shared.

        The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

        by A Citizen on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 11:07:47 AM PDT

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        •  God hates the United States because (0+ / 0-)

          we tolerate the existence of gays in this country? We're all going to Hell because we don't persecute gays? Not just us liberals, mind you; everyone in the United States who isn't a member of Westboro Baptist Church!
               WBC is a very special kind of crazy. We want to tar the religious right by association with them, because the right hates gays, too, but the right is just as sure that they should be on our side, since Fred once ran for office as a Dem, and they just know that we actually hate America as much as the WBC does. The WBC is on their own side, and no one deserves to be grouped with them.

          -5.12, -5.23

          We are men of action; lies do not become us.

          by ER Doc on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 12:03:06 PM PDT

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          •  Yes. (0+ / 0-)

            The WBC states it more strongly than the religious right usually does, but essentially, that's standard fare for the religious right.

            "(re: 9/11 attacks) "...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen.""

            Falwell apologized for this statement, but very similar statements have become commonplace among the religious right. It's the idea that America is being punished by God for the above things. Saying "God hates America" is just a stronger way of putting it. Sometimes the religious right tries to soften this by claiming we aren't under active divine punishment, but instead God simply ceases to protect is, but that's just a way of putting a gentler face on the same thing.

            The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

            by A Citizen on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 12:29:30 PM PDT

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