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  •  No. (1+ / 0-)
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    But wouldn't a reasonable person see a similarity between the imagery used by Dolan where he equated Benedict to Christ and the kind of inflammatory rhetoric used in the Middle Ages to justify the treatment of the Jews?

    •  No. I am a reasonable person and a non-Christian, (0+ / 0-)

      and I do not see any similarity between Dolan's language and persecution of Jews by the Catholic church in the Middle Ages.  What I see is a metaphor for the much larger group of anti-Catholics of all stripes.  I think it is all too easy to read anti-semitism into crucifixion references if that is what you want to see.  Crucifixion metaphors are about the suffering of Jesus for the sake of others, not about who made him suffer.  The metaphor is based upon the belief that Jesus sacrificed himself, suffered crucifixion and death that he could have avoided, to save all mankind from eternal death.  It's not about who put him to death.  That part is immaterial to modern Christians since he could have chosen not to die.

      "I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth." - Molly Ivins

      by Involuntary Exile on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 05:00:35 PM PDT

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      •  And Dolan has it all backwards. (0+ / 0-)

        For him, it is about the people who make Benedict suffer, which he then proceeds to equate with Jesus. No remorse whatsoever for all the suffering that millions of children have undergone at the hands of pedophile priests who people like him actively protected. So while I accept that this is a broad-based attack, I can see how this diarist and others can see how Dolan might be showing a gross lack of sensitivity to the Jews. One of the main lines of attack that the Church used during the Middle Ages was that the Jews (as opposed to the rulers) made Jesus suffer; therefore, the ends justify the means.

        •  I must correct one inaccuracy in your comment (0+ / 0-)

          To quote from Dolan's Palm Sunday message:

          "Anytime this horror, this vicious sin, this nauseating crime is reported, as it needs to be, victims and their families are wounded again, the vast majority of faithful priests bow their heads in shame anew and sincere Catholics like you experience another dose of shock, sorrow and even anger," Dolan said.


          From the AP account:

          Dolan credited the pope for making possible the progress the Catholic Church has made in the United States against "this sickening sin and crime," saying changes "could never have happened without the insistence and support of the very man now being daily crowned with thorns by groundless innuendo."

          He asked whether the church and the pope "need intense scrutiny and just criticism for tragic horrors long past?"

          "Yes! Yes!" he said, answering his question. "He himself has asked for it, encouraging complete honesty, at the same time eloquently expressing contrition and urging a thorough cleansing.

          "All we ask is that it be fair and that the Catholic Church not be singled out for a horror that has cursed every culture, religion, organization, institution, school, agency and family in the world," he said.

          It is my personal belief that people who choose victimhood see prejudice where they choose to see it.  Some people are vociferously anti-Christian.  If they are also prone to see themselves as victims they will find "evidence" to reinforce their anti-Christian views even if said "evidence" is constructed of the thinnest possible gruel.

          "I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth." - Molly Ivins

          by Involuntary Exile on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 06:44:24 PM PDT

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