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  •  I believe people have a right to say bad things. (1+ / 0-)
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    Pretty easily reconcilable for me.

    I can judge someone's behavior or words with personal disapproval, and still tolerate them.

    After all, I haven't killed any Republicans and I pretty much believe they are destroying the country for me and my family.

    When people do stupid things that hurt me or others, it usually motivates me to work harder for justice.

    "It is a serious thing to live in a society of possible gods and goddesses." - CS Lewis, Weight of Glory

    by Benintn on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 08:07:16 PM PDT

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    •  thanks for taking the time to answer (1+ / 0-)
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      Thanks for replying Benintn. So, you believe that "people have a right to say bad things", even when it limits other's speech.

      So, if I understand you correctly, you believe that when the Tea Party goes to town hall meetings, you believe it is their right to limit other's speech with their vitriol, right? I'm sure you condemn it and wish they wouldn't - but you tolerate their speech because you believe its the responsibility of those they're suppressing to "work harder" to get their own point of view out. Right?

      "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange ... including a public option" President Obama, 7.18.09

      by efraker on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 08:23:38 PM PDT

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    •  laying my cards down (4+ / 0-)
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      Sylv, Fabian, yella dawg, lightshine

      I'm trying to show more good faith and present my perspective to people kind enough to do me the favor of sharing with me theirs. So here's my opinion; both of wmtriallawyer's principles (defending what you believe is correct zealously, and not limiting speech) are important. And I don't believe you can maintain them both with intellectual rigidity; one of those principles must bend to the other... and we always have to be conscientious of not pushing in either direction too far. To speak metaphorically, anything bent too far breaks.

      I try and err on the side of being less zealous and more open to other's speech. I think that some of my opinions could be argued more stridently; sometimes I don't use arguments I think are persuasive because I think they're likely to be perceived as condescending. I think that often the most gentle voices are the wisest, and I know that the sort of robust and combative discourse that some of us are comfortable with will drive them away.

      "Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange ... including a public option" President Obama, 7.18.09

      by efraker on Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 08:35:58 PM PDT

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