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  •  Well put... (2+ / 0-)
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    there were honorable people on both sides of that conflict, as there is in almost all conflicts, if not all.  It is the twisting that taints that honor.  Thanks again.

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    by quityurkidding on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 07:34:53 AM PDT

    •  There were honorable nazis right? (0+ / 1-)
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      I don't think so, and I think Im going to start and right today helping that meme die.  No there were no honorable confederates they shed their blood with the soul purpose of keeping humanity enslaved in the cruelest institution this world has ever seen.  They are actually an existential evil.

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      by Adept2u on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 08:34:28 AM PDT

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      •  do what you like... (0+ / 0-)

        I stand by what I said: we have no insider knowledge of every single individual on the "other" side.  Those who fought from inside.  But go ahead.

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        by quityurkidding on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 08:49:41 AM PDT

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        •  There were kind nazis (0+ / 1-)
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          Some of them even fed the jews as they marched them into the ovens, you're damn right I'll go ahead.

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          by Adept2u on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 09:07:52 AM PDT

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          •  take a deep breath... good grief... (1+ / 0-)
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            Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

            by quityurkidding on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 09:15:04 AM PDT

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            •  deep breath taken (0+ / 1-)
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              Still seems like theres a commentor who thinks that people who died for the right to keep others in the most evil bondage this world has ever seen has honor, so it didnt help.

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              by Adept2u on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 09:17:09 AM PDT

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              •  you take a ton of liberty with what I said... (0+ / 0-)

                you are the one who brought in the nazis.  But... hey, keep blathering.

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                by quityurkidding on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 09:36:41 AM PDT

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                •  yeah confederate=nazi (0+ / 1-)
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                  must be because you're white that you dont see the connection its a symptom of the big lie where white people define who is good and evil and have no issue assigning honor to evil men.

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                  by Adept2u on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 09:46:34 AM PDT

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                •  There are inappropriate ways to mention nazis (0+ / 0-)

                  And then there are appropriate ways.

                  Bringing them up while discussing "groups of people who really did fight to protect reprehensible evil" is one of the good ways.  While there are groups who promote things which are subjectively evil, slavery and genocide are agreed upon by everyone as "evil."

                  I just don't see how anyone can have "honor" while fighting to uphold pure evil.  Slavery is evil.  Genocide is evil.  Just because we do not know the reasons of each individual in the two conflicts referenced, just because "we have no insider knowledge of every single individual on the 'other' side", is still not a justification for calling any of them "honorable" for fighting to promote and sustain evil.

                  I really cannot think of any reason for which one can honorably justify fighting to sustain a system of violence and oppression of a population group within the human race, a population group defined not by its actions but by genetic factors which are beyond its control.

                  As such, nothing in the "insider knowledge of every single individual on the 'other' side" could possibly justify their actions in fighting to promote and sustain evil.

      •  statistically there had to be at least a few (1+ / 0-)
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      •  No TR but this is wrong on multiple levels (1+ / 0-)
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        1.  No rebel equivalent to extermination camps; no comparison at all is possible without denigrating the memory of the millions of Nazi victims.
        1.  Who was a rebel and who was a loyalist often a matter of chance.
        1.  Families often had one brother on one side and another brother on the other side.
        1.  The concept of the nation was not so clearly fixed then as it is now.  
        1. Etc., etc.  

        You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

        by Cartoon Peril on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 09:48:30 PM PDT

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      •  Adept2u: I disagree (0+ / 0-)

        unless you're willing to concede that there were no honorable Yankees, either -- they shed their blood and that of their cousins, brothers, and fathers.

        Sherman's march to the sea was not the act of an honorable man, just to give one example.

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        by BlackSheep1 on Wed Apr 07, 2010 at 10:10:37 PM PDT

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    •  There were honorable people of both sides of that (0+ / 0-)

      conflict Who Lived in Virginia when it started.

      One of the puzzles of this declaration is that McConnell chose to honor those who "went South" but not the material number of Virginians who did not and either supported or fought for the Union as well. I would have thought that this gave a platform for a "Civil War" month (assuming the term used in Va schoolbooks is not the "War of Northern Aggression"), and noted the acts of both sides done by Virginians. For that you could get all sorts of tourists without having the mess he created for himself.

      Given his interest in States' Rights, part of his motivation for doing this may have been to use this odd opportunity to push a States' Rights agenda and emphasize and honor what he considered to be the steps Americans have taken in the past to counter what they considered to be excessive Federal intrustion etc etc. And focusing on that, which led him into the error of not dealing with the slavery issue, the issue on which the Southern states thought the Union had committed excessive Federal intrusion, as if it were incidental to what he was actually thinking about.

      I did see a representative of the sponsoring organization on CNN tonight, who took the position that what triggered Va to go South was that it could not tolerate the Union making war on residents of South Carolina after Fort Sumpter, a state at that time, rather than the Lincoln election or slavery. And his position that a material number of soldiers at any given time in the US forces have been southerners.

      I find this entire issue very odd. But I read the comments on WaPo to an article about this and now understand why they are trying to work out new commenting rules. He may not have clicked to the race issue he was raising, but a lot of them did. Some in language that would have MB down on them like lightning. The politest way to put it is their arguing that the converse of this is Black History Month (Eleventh dimensional euphemism there)

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