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  •  in selectively quoting yourself (0+ / 0-)

    you left out this part of the same sentence:

    The fastest growth even in mobile has been in phones more open to choice in data providers,

    So let's see, that's AT&T and...umm...

    Besides that, if you can only run apps that have been vetted by Apple, it really doesn't meet my idea of "open" by a long shot. I think you're the first person I've run into to use the words "iPhone" and "open" in the same sentence without the word "not" somewhere in between.

    The same limitation, by the way, is why I was disappointed in the iPad announcement. I was hoping it would be targeted as  a netbook killer (nothing against netbooks, as I like mine which runs Ubuntu, but I do own some AAPL). Instead it's just a giant iPod Touch. Yeah they're selling like hotcakes right now, but I'm expecting the initial enthusiasm to wane after a couple of months.

    Climate change deniers: Where's your model?

    by rmoore on Fri Apr 09, 2010 at 12:19:19 AM PDT

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    •  Selectively Editing Me (0+ / 0-)

      The whole sentence that you're carping about was:

      The fastest growth even in mobile has been in phones more open to choice in data providers, which has been only in smartphones choosing their apps, especially iPhones and even more especially Android phones that are even more open.

      That says: phones more open to choice in data providers, which has been only in smartphones choosing their apps, especially iphones and even more especially Android phones that are even more open.

      I'm talking about about data provision of application code as the data, not the data transmission carrier network, as being chooseable by the consumer.

      But that was a complex sentence. You asked for clarification. So I quoted the part that was talking about openness, and  clarified it:

      Phones are different from previous smartphones, and especially dumb phones before them, in the wide choices in apps available to the consumer from a very wide array of independent software developers and vendors. Android phones even more so, as development is open to even more developers, and not locked into vetting by Apple. But even with the vetting, Apple's openness to of 3rd party apps is a watershed in mass communications.

      Again I talk about exclusively the apps, not the carrier network. Indeed, 2 sentences later in my original post I said:

      As I noted in another thread

      In that other thread, where I do actually talk about carrier networks, I accuse them of lockin. And indeed the subject of my arguments in both threads in this diary discussion is the necessity of protecting Net Neutrality in access by consumers and developers to networks, regardless of the conflicting commercial interests of telcos.

      Now, the additional fact about smartphones, especially the iPhone, and even more especially Android phones, is that they can get data from WiFi, which provider is totally open to selection by the consumer. An additional point supporting the greater openness of smartphones, like iPhones and even moreso Android phones, that I could mention if I were talking there about network access rather than access to (more or less) arbitrary applications.

      But you're not interested in what I said, clarification of it, or anything else but your preconceived notion. You're so interested in looking for enemies over network lockin that you'll make one of someone who agrees with you. Trolling me with selective editing, and determined misinterpretation, of my own words isn't going to produce a valid point for you. It's only going to piss me off.

      Have fun with that.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Fri Apr 09, 2010 at 05:00:12 AM PDT

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      •  Sure it's all data (0+ / 0-)

        but referring to apps as data and saying you get your app from a "data provider" is pretty odd usage if you ask me. So your meaning wasn't clear from the start and taking half of the sentence out of context didn't help. In one half you talk about "data providers", without clarifying that you don't mean what most of us would infer (it could refer to content providers, but that doesn't make sense here, so then there are data service providers which seems like the likely meaning). The other half was about applications. Your reply to my question ignored the first part altogether, so don't blame me for misinterpreting you ("determined misinterpretation", indeed!). My response noted my concerns about a lack of openness both in choice of data service (the apparent meaning of the first half which you failed at first to clarify) and in apps distribution (the second half). In return I get accused of trolling. So unfair of you (I could use stronger language but I'm going to practice restraint).

        I stand by my position. Apple's role as gatekeeper for apps is authoritarian (that's not a comment on whether it's a benign role or not, it's just an accurate description of what it is). If you have an authoritarian gatekeeper like that, benign or not, I do not consider it an open platform.

        Climate change deniers: Where's your model?

        by rmoore on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 03:55:33 PM PDT

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