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  •  No matter when or how he flames out, (0+ / 0-)

    it doesn't change the fact that over 2 and a half million Americans are gullible and clueless enough to watch him on a regular basis.  There is always another demagogue to take Beck's place.  The real question is why there are so many willfully stupid Americans.  It makes me sad.  In fact, I may have to go cry right now.

    "Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it." -- Stolen from homogenius, who in turn stole it from a coffee mug.

    by Mother of Zeus on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 01:48:04 PM PDT

    •  Have you considered the possibility (1+ / 0-)
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      that the FOX watchers are not stupid, they just have a different worldview than you do?

      Most of my relatives are FOX watchers. A couple have genius level intellects and most are generous and good people. Given that these folks are my blood and given that I love them, I am compelled to dig for some compassion and understanding.

      It is a good practice, I highly recommend it, and it is so much more uplifting than hating.

      Peace,

      •  No, I have never considered that anyone (1+ / 0-)
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        who takes Glenn Beck seriously merely has a different worldview than I do, although I will agree that it is not necessarily the case that they are stupid. Gullible and clueless, however, I stand by.  Regardless of one's political views, Glenn Beck is transparently a fraud and a showman.  It's not that he says things I disagree with, but that he nonetheless makes rational and coherent points. Rather, he engages in easily-disproven, semi-hallucinatory conspiracy-mongering.  Not everything comes down to a mere difference of points of view.  Some things are simply devoid of sense or quality.

        Maybe you can point out to me where you found any hate or anything hateful in my comment, also, if you're willing?

        "Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it." -- Stolen from homogenius, who in turn stole it from a coffee mug.

        by Mother of Zeus on Thu Apr 08, 2010 at 05:45:52 PM PDT

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        •  I understand that the dKos standards for speech (1+ / 0-)
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          are a bit loose when it comes to talking about the right, but I personally find it hateful to take any class or group of people and say that they are "gullible and clueless" or "willfully stupid".

          I will also point out that the right uses almost the exact same language when talking about people who watch MSNBC.

          I would find it just as bigoted to say that people who watch MSNBC are "gullible and clueless" as I would to say that people who watch FOX are "gullible and clueless". Would you say that one statement is more acceptable than the other? Both are making gross generalizations about a class of people and both are making political differences personal.

          When the right watches Keith Olberman they find him to be "devoid of sense or quality", and when the left watches Beck they find him to be "devoid of sense or quality". I see that as differences in worldview. Fundamental assumptions about the world determine for us what makes sense.

          I am one of the rare people who see brilliance and beauty in both the writing of Karl Marx and Adam Smith. Not claiming that either is totally correct, but both were brilliant and both contributed to the advancement of mankind. I guess I just don't get tribal politics.

          I generally encourage people to try to understand others, not only because it is the human thing to do, but in politics, if you want to win, it is extremely valuable to understand your opponent. This is a huge tactical advantage.

          •  Well, you're barking up the wrong tree. (0+ / 0-)

            This isn't about tribal politics.  This is about basic standards of seriousness in our discourse.

            For one thing, I didn't make a statement about people who watch FOX generally.  I said that people who watch Glenn Beck are gullible and clueless, and I stand by that.  He is not serious.  He isn't even trying to be serious; he's trying to get rich (and succeeding).  He's a clown, and the things he says make literally no sense.  So anyone who takes what he says seriously has a fundamental confusion about what he is and what he is doing.  It has nothing to do with whether I agree or disagree with him.

            You can agree or disagree with Rachel Maddow or Chris Wallace, Karl Marx or Adam Smith.  But demagogues and clowns like Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck are in a different category.  FWIW, I have not all that much more respect for Michael Moore's political opinions.  I think he's a gifted filmmaker and I've enjoyed his films (from what I understand, Beck is a very gifted broadcaster), but that doesn't mean I take his political judgments seriously.  I do not think many of them are seriously formed.  He is basically an entertainer.

            "Put your big-girl panties on and deal with it." -- Stolen from homogenius, who in turn stole it from a coffee mug.

            by Mother of Zeus on Fri Apr 09, 2010 at 05:24:19 AM PDT

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