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  •  Gives me hope that some of our elected (8+ / 0-)

    representatives are paying attention.

    "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is too dark to read." Groucho Mark

    by hester on Mon Apr 12, 2010 at 06:20:42 PM PDT

    •  This Will Reallllllly Happen--Right After We Get (11+ / 0-)

      the Public Option.

      Seriously, Senate and House Democrats refused to even hold a vote on the popular Public Option during Reconciliation, when all it needed was a simple majority in the Senate.  

      Forty Democratic Senators signed on for it, and it still didn't happen.

      And you want to believe that some type of real financial reform is going to pass in the Senate when it will need 60 votes to stop the GOP fillibuster?  

      Say "hi" to Santa and the Easter Bunny for me.  

      •  Have to (sadly) agree with you (1+ / 0-)
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        Especially given the example of the public option not making it onto the bill.  People kept saying "oh, we'll fix it in the mix," but there's obviously no plan but to let the public option bill die, and the President and the Speaker will NEVER ride herd to make darn sure those votes are there for a public option bill.  No-one ever answered my question: if they planned to ride herd and get a separate public option bill passed, at a later date (when the Democrats may be less powerful), then why on earth didn't they do it NOW, and tack it onto THIS bill?  No.  They'll let it die.

        And this headline, "Liberal Senate Dems Ready to Take On GOP, Wall Street," much as I applaud the hopefulness behind it, reminds me of nothing more than the Onion's headline: "Senior Citizens Take Stand Against Gangs, Drugs; All Are Killed."

        "Arguments are to be avoided. They are always vulgar, and are often convincing." -- Oscar Wilde

        by Villagejonesy on Mon Apr 12, 2010 at 06:48:11 PM PDT

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      •  Still about the public option... (4+ / 0-)
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        sja, lawman, weltshmertz, jfromga

        Huh. I would have thought folks would be tired of that argument by now.

        Re. financial reform: This is good news and good politics, and though the Dems are perfectly capable of fucking this up, they haven't done so yet. Perhaps if we encourage and support them instead of preemptively shitting in their lap they might pull one out. Just a thought.

        "Santa" and Easter Bunny" is classy too. Very subtle.

        "How poor are they that have not patience! What wound did ever heal but by degrees?"

        by Cure7802 on Mon Apr 12, 2010 at 06:56:56 PM PDT

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        •  "Still"--it's pretty fresh, still (2+ / 0-)
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          We only got fucked for the public option a couple of weeks ago.  We also were promised that it'd be fixed, but the question "if they were planning to fix it, why didn't they just add it?" hasn't been answered.

          I would agree with your sentiment, that this is a discrete issue, and that it would be more productive to "encourage and support them instead of preemptively shitting in their lap," but the fact is that we did only just get fucked by them on the very point the poster is posting about, and our "representatives" didn't give much attention to the public option's 70% popular support, beyond the time it took to sweep it under the rug and pretend they didn't hear anything.  So it's not beyond the pale to say "fool me twice, shame on me."

          "Arguments are to be avoided. They are always vulgar, and are often convincing." -- Oscar Wilde

          by Villagejonesy on Mon Apr 12, 2010 at 07:17:27 PM PDT

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          •  I never viewed the PO... (2+ / 0-)
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            as integral to HCR, so I have had problems understanding the anger. My thinking is that no matter what your opinion, that fight is over. We have a whole bunch of new legislative fights coming up. Energy/climate, SCOTUS, financial reform, education, (maybe) immigration...we're going to need a lot of support to get this stuff done, and remaining angry over the lack of a PO seems self-defeating.

            My opinion.

            "How poor are they that have not patience! What wound did ever heal but by degrees?"

            by Cure7802 on Mon Apr 12, 2010 at 07:47:41 PM PDT

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        •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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          different dynamic, people think the banks have already been socialized and running on taxpayer money for over a year, they just want their money back.

          A big public push with tales of the worst abuses by Wall Street could build a goodly amount of support for a strong bill.

          I hope Durbin pushes hard and drags the bill further left.

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