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  •  "lesbian" (3+ / 0-)
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    Keone Michaels, Predictor, Clarknt67

    is the term of choice for female homosexuals, BTW.  Is it the term itself which bothers you?

    I used to be Snow White...but I drifted.

    by john07801 on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 12:23:02 PM PDT

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    •  the term doesn't bother me (me) at all .... (1+ / 0-)
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      I live in a place thank god that doesn't care who you love or who you fuck.  But the public perception is such that incidents like the recent Republican visit to a "lesbian bondage club" got a lot of play because of the sexual associations.

      And if you think that the Republicans won't quote the diary title alone just to show how Kos wants to push a gay agenda then think again.  If the Dems did it with "lesbian bondage" then so will the Republicans.

      •  Yes, well a "lesbian bondage club" (0+ / 0-)

        does have more "sexual associations" than "lesbian Supreme Court Justice."  As it should -- BECAUSE IT'S A BONDAGE CLUB.  Whether it's a lesbian bondage club, or a heterosexual bondage club -- IT'S A FREAKIN' BONDAGE CLUB!  Of course there are "sexual associations"!

        Really, see Clark's comment below.  Of course the right would have a shit fit over a lesbian being nominated; the diarist agrees.  

        What you initially said is that the title is exploitative.  My question is, if we can't even use the word "lesbian" to describe a lesbian, WTF?

        •  There is a tradition at Kos with cutsey titles (0+ / 0-)

          with a "hook."  This is done I presume to boost readership.  Using the word served no purpose because the diary was not endorsing or rejecting lesbians or lesbianism.  I just didn't like it being used as a "hook."  Don't you get it?

          The value judgement I'm making has nothing to do with lesbians per se, but the deceptive title.  I thought it was exploitatively deceptive.  And if you don't think the diarist was aware if this when he/she titled the diary, think again.

          •  Would the word "homosexual" have worked (2+ / 0-)
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            Keone Michaels, Ms Bluezone

            for you?  It would have worked equally well in the argument that having a homosexual justice on the Court would widen the rift between Kennedy and Scalia.  Now, then why didn't I just say "homosexual"?  Because the two candidates that have been talked about are both women, so lesbian was entirely accurate.

            Maybe it's turning 50, but the word "lesbian" doesn't scream out "SEX SEX SEX" to me.  It just describes a lot of people, most of the ones who are my age not being stereotypical porn film material, and probably being just fine with that!

            "So if you don't have any teeth, so what? ... Isn't that why they make applesauce?" -- GOP leader Rush Limbaugh

            by Seneca Doane on Wed Apr 14, 2010 at 06:56:04 PM PDT

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          •  It served a purpose because (2+ / 0-)
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            Keone Michaels, Seneca Doane

            the diarist was writing explicitly about lesbians, and the effect their lesbianism would have on the court if they were nominated and confirmed.

            How else would you describe it?  You keep asking me if I "get it" but I think that you're missing the point I'm making -- for millions of Americans, there's nothing out-of-the-ordinary about the word "lesbian."  It's a descriptor, like "tall" or "Republican" or "Italian."  The concept of lesbianism has political ramifications, which the diarist was exploring.  Putting the word "lesbian" in the title of one of my diaries would not remotely strike me as sensationalistic or exploitative or whatever, as long as the topic of my diary was ... lesbians.

            This diary was about the possible effect of a lesbian sitting on the Supreme Court.  The title was "Obama should appoint a lesbian to the Supreme Court" because the diarist believes this effect would be a net positive.  It's pretty straightforward to me.

            I believe you're discussing in good faith here, but I think we just have a difference of opinion, so I'm going to go to bed and let it lie!  Enjoy your evening.

        •  Also, they made much more hay out of it because (0+ / 0-)

          the word "lesbian" preceded the word "bondage."  For fucking sure!  

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