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  •  The problem of illegal immigration (3+ / 0-)
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    will not go away until we "Americans" either stop knowingly hiring them so we can pay poverty wages or until we adopt a saner immigration policy that allows for migrant workers.  

    Comparing the US and Germany immigration enforcement is apples to oranges......generally the hispanic immigrants do work that Americans don't want to do.  They are not stealing anyones job.

    I do think the patriotic thing to do is to critique my country. How else do you make a country better but by pointing out its flaws? Bill Maher

    by gtghawaii on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 04:14:34 PM PDT

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    •  I assure you, illegal immigrants don't just (1+ / 0-)
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      pick lettuce in the fields for crappy wages. They also work in a lot of warehouses, loading and unloading trucks and doing a lot of other work that, yes, Americans would be happy to do.

      I see it every. single. day. These people are being exploited in the name of bigger profit. The fallout is lower wages all around and a smaller tax base when income taxes aren't paid.

      Just to be clear: are you stating that there are no agricultural jobs in Germany, or that those agricultural jobs that do exist are any easier there?

      If comparing the USA and Germany is apples to oranges then that can be the only logical conclusion, given that the premise is that illegals only take jobs that US citizens won't do.

      •  No they also (2+ / 0-)
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        Clean our houses, mow our grass, babysit our children, make our food and yes work in wharehouse and construction jobs doing blue collar work.  Having been in the recruiting business for 15 years in California I have a fairly broad knowledge and experience with the problem.  You are right they are being exploited for the low wages employers can pay them.  Instead of going after the employers though Americans would rather villainize the immigrant workers that are providing the supply to our demand than admit that "we" are the problem by not holding employers accountable and insisting on livable wages and yes having immigration laws that allow migrant workers.  

        What I'm saying that our immigration problems are unique to the United States and I can't see how Germany's rules correlate to our problem.  

        As a side note, there are quite a few unemployed Americans that are not willing to do the work an immigrant does.  I knew a woman who was on welfare for 5 years and bemoaned the fact she just couldn't find a job.  She had no skills to speak of.  One day she was on a rant about those awful illegal immigrants.  She went on and on......until finally I said fine, why don't we deport them all and you will finally have a job.  XYZ farms will have openings.  She was OFFENDED by the mere suggestion.  She was not willing to pick any strawberries or do anything she felt was "beneath" her.  I'm sorry but as an "American" you are not better than the immigrant in the field picking strawberries.  You just have had more opportunities.  

        The unwillingness of Americans to do manual labor is shown by the shortage of high schoolers that would consider a non-skilled or skilled trade job.

        I do think the patriotic thing to do is to critique my country. How else do you make a country better but by pointing out its flaws? Bill Maher

        by gtghawaii on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 05:00:52 PM PDT

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