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  •  great (0+ / 0-)

    It should be stated on the license whether or not you are a citizen.

    You do realize there's a zillion legal statuses of being in the country but not being a citizen?

    •  Easily answered. (0+ / 0-)
      A license could state those statuses.
      •  really (0+ / 0-)

        DMV will do such a great job keeping track of current statuses. And every cop will have an idea of what Visa XYZ324 is.

        •  A zillion statuses, but only a binary (0+ / 0-)

          status, really. Legal, or illegal. Who cares it's on a student visa VS. a green card or whatever.

          •  uhm no (5+ / 0-)

            Visas can expire. Then if the status is just binary, it's pointless - I can let my visa expire but DL still states "legal". If DL gives an expiration date, but I have legally gotten an extension or gotten another visa, it becomes a bureaucratic nightmare. DMV couldn't keep my license straight between two states, if they can screw data up, they will.

            •  There are already people who get (3+ / 0-)
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              Ahianne, debedb, mariachi mama

              turned away at bars because their licenses state "UNDER 21" in big red letters, even if the "Until ___" under it is a date long past.

              Getting hauled off to try to prove you're legally in the US before someone tries to deport you is a lot worse than that.

              In some states now, a driver's license can be valid for 10 years. The shortest I've seen was for 4 years, longer than a lot of visas.

              Just how involved would all those license renewals solely for visa information changes end up being?

              Would the licenses be for the length of the visa, and the registration price modified to match? If not, would the visa change renewals be discounted somehow, to reflect that the non-administrative costs of having a license had already been paid for most of the period that the renewed license would be valid?

              If the length and price were modified, would citizens who know they'll be moving before the normal license period is over have access those options, or only the more traditional validity lengths?

              And even if all that gets worked out, there's no way to make a license auto-update to show that a visa has been revoked, so it STILL wouldn't be usable as complete proof of holding a legal visa.

              There are more potential issues with licenses listing immigration status than drinking ages, and there are already enough misinterpretation cases with the drinking ages. Why take the time and money to apply a system with proven flaws to proving and disproving legal status in the US?

              Hoping and praying that the empty chairs and empty tables in Iran when all is said and done are as few as possible.

              by Cassandra Waites on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 06:02:44 PM PDT

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            •  You have a point (0+ / 0-)

              The expiration date on those statuses may not necessarily match the expiration on the license.

              On the other hand, if the DL says "legal" then what's the worst that could happen?

          •  Something like 40% of (2+ / 0-)
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            debedb, Cassandra Waites

            those in the country illegaly at one time had some sort of visa.

          •  I think it also may be unconstitutional (3+ / 0-)
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            burrow owl, Kevskos, Cassandra Waites

            as legal status is determined by the federal government, not a state agency.

        •  If they fuck up, that's why god (0+ / 0-)
          made traffic courts.

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