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  •  Who Is 'We'? (2+ / 0-)
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    There are only immigrants here because we want cheap labor

    I don't want cheaper labor. This is just as fallacious a statement as 'they mow our lawns, they take care of our kids', etc. Nobody mows my lawn, nobody takes care of my kids, and illegal immigrants are not limited to mowing lawns and taking care of kids.

    My neighbor is an illegal immigrant and he does tile work and construction -- just the kind of jobs "that Americans won't do" -- yeah?

    <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

    by superscalar on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 05:28:17 PM PDT

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    •  The fact is, though... (0+ / 0-)

      ...that you could solve illegal immigration tomorrow by passing a law, then throwing people found to have hired illegal immigrants in prison for a long time. You wouldn't need to even bother deporting anyone; when you find someone you just ask where they work and go arrest that person.

      If dishwashing jobs in Canada paid $50/hour you'd see lots of Americans, in fact the same Americans bitterly complaining about illegal immigration, jumping the border. You can't stop that kind of thing any more than you can stop the tide.

      Building a wall with Mexico, fences, guards, all idiotic and costly ideas. Just throw people in prison who hire illegal immigrants and give that bureau a decent budget and the 'problem' will solve itself.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 08:06:21 PM PDT

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      •  We Cannot Simply 'Go After The Employers' (1+ / 0-)
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        Sparhawk

        The law, in a practical sense, has made it impossible to do so, and this has been the case since the 1986 IRCA. Please see this diary as to why.

        Also, there is no practical will to 'go after the employers'.

        The Democratic Party doesn't want to do so because it would dissolve their new voter base no less effectively than deportation, and it subverts their access to money and power, which is driving much of why we have the massive illegal immigration problem that we have today.

        The Republican Party doesn't want to 'go after the employer' because it destroys big businesses access to cheaper labor and, as with the Democratic Party, it would subvert their access to money and power.

        <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

        by superscalar on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 08:26:25 PM PDT

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        •  I agree... (0+ / 0-)

          ...with everything you wrote. My point is just that all this ridiculous caterwauling by both parties is obnoxious. If we really wanted to solve the 'problem', it is one of the easier problems to solve, requiring tweaks to the law, little new technology, and only a modest investment.

          I am agnostic as to whether our economy net benefits or net loses because of illegal immigration.

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 08:37:32 PM PDT

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          •  It's An Easy Problem (1+ / 0-)
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            it is one of the easier problems to solve, requiring tweaks to the law, little new technology, and only a modest investment

            In a practical sense, it is not an easy problem in a political sense. What is required is to either remove the 'knowingly' clause from 8 USC 1324 (which is neither fair nor politically feasible), or institute a 'national id card' which is, practically speaking, not forgeable.

            Creating the 'tamper proof id' of the 1986 IRCA is fairly easy from a technological standpoint, but politically speaking one has to get it by the privacy advocates on both the left and right of the political spectrum, and one has to get it past LULAC, NCLR, ACLU, and the rest of those organizations who have been opposing worksite and interior enforcement of immigration law since 1986.

            Lastly, one would have to get it by the political, and money and power, elements (Council on Foreign Relations, Business Roundtable, Chamber of Commerce, etc.) that will fight it tooth and nail to that extent that I don't think it will ever become a reality (if  it were going to happen, I suspect it would have happened by now).

            <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

            by superscalar on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 08:50:20 PM PDT

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