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  •  Strictly Speaking No (0+ / 0-)

    The US does not require anyone to carry proof of citizenship.

    But try telling that to the next cop who says to you 'can I see some identification please' -- yes you may have a case in court -- but it has been my experience that every time I have argued with a cop I have ended up in jail.

    Beyond this point, it is required that green card and visa holders in the U.S. carry that paperwork with them at all times.

    And lastly, let's face facts, Arizona is being, for lack of a better term, overrun. You may not like the term 'overrun', but that is in fact what is occurring in Arizona.

    <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

    by superscalar on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 05:54:23 PM PDT

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    •  Do you support a National ID card (0+ / 0-)

      if one that is secure could be designed?

      •  A VERY Good Question (1+ / 0-)
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        In my heart of hearts ... no ... but as you know I have studied the issue of immigration and illegal immigration in particular for a long time now. I am convinced that the only way that the U.S. can, practically speaking, end illegal immigration is thru what many might call a 'national id card'.

        I do believe that we can design a biometrically encoded social security card that could be required to be shown at employment time (we require any number of id's now).

        There are any number of reasons why I don't think this biometrically encoded id will come to pass however -- and I think that the Schumer Graham legislation is just a rehash of IRCA -- what will occur is that those in the country illegally will be made legal, there will be some tweaks to legal immigration which skew legal immigration even more towards citizens of Mexico than it is now, and the rest will go by the wayside.

        One only has to look at the constituency to do 'comprehensive immigration reform', what they want out of it, and what will happen once they have gotten what they want.

        What people like Frank Sharry and Janet Murgia publicly call 'comprehensive immigration reform' they privately call 'US/Mexico'.

        <div style="font-size:10px;text-align:center;background-color:#ffd;color:#f33">If the terriers and bariffs are torn down, this economy will grow - G. Bush

        by superscalar on Tue Apr 13, 2010 at 06:57:34 PM PDT

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        •  I think the only way to (1+ / 0-)
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          crack down on employers is to have some sort of national ID, which I know raises a lot of concerns, and frankly I would just love to see some OC housewives hauled off to prison for their hiring of household help.

          I wish we could have a rational discussion about immigration reform without all the name calling (I've been guilty but realize it's not productive) and cliche.

        •  Also I think (1+ / 0-)
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          that the drug war have to be included in the equation. I am really disappointed that Obama is continuing on the same failed path of the Bush administration in funding the militarization of Mexico.

        •  Oh I have so many thoughts (0+ / 0-)

          on immigration and every single discussion devolves into arguements about words and geography which drives me fucking nuts and doesn't address the economic, political and cultural issues.

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