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  •  Odysseus already said it pretty well, (2+ / 0-)
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    but as I wrote upthread:

    Society places an unfair cloud of prejudice over ex-convicts.  People talk about the U.S. being a country of second chances, but in reality, too many people consider ex-convicts as unworthy of ever receiving a second chance at all.

    People who break the law should be prosecuted and convicted of their crimes.  If their crimes are serious enough that prison time is warranted, so be it.  But, once they serve their time and get out of prison, they become citizens of society again, and as such should be afforded all the rights that all other citizens enjoy.

    Besides, many prisoners are victims of false allegations and convictions.  I'd be concerned about that.  I think others should be concerned about that too.

    •  But most Americans don't see it like that (0+ / 0-)

      nt

      •  what's your point? (2+ / 0-)
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        Most Americans in 2003 thought it was a great idea to invade Iraq.  Didn't make it a good idea.

        •  I see that we have good, hard working Americans (0+ / 0-)

          out of jobs and suffering; yet some of you seem to care more about criminals. Why has there never been a diary here about the victims of crimes and how violent criminals have affected their lives? Why do so many of you see most criminals to be victims of society as opposed to the violent sociopaths that most of them are?

          •  you're stereotyping. In a BIG way. (3+ / 0-)

            No one said that we believe "most criminals" to be victims of society.  You're also claiming that "most criminals" are "violent sociopaths."  Perhaps you didn't know that quite a lot of people in prison are locked up for non-violent offenses.  

            It sure sounds like you're placing a huge amount of authoritarian faith in the prison industry, though.  The sense I get from your comments is: Once a criminal, always a criminal.  Never mind that people might be falsely imprisoned, and never mind that people have the right to re-enter society after serving their time.  Let's also not forget that minorities are disproportionately targeted for arrest and imprisonment -- or are you going to argue that minorities are, by their nature of being locked up disproportionately compared to white people, more prone to violence and crime?

            •  I had my wallet stole and was mugged at gun point (0+ / 0-)

              I just have very little sympathy for violent criminals. When it comes to drug criminals, as long as they are nonviolent and don't reoffend, I have no problem with diversionary and treatment programs.

              •  well, I am sorry that you were mugged (0+ / 0-)

                no one should have to go through that.

                However, I would caution you that you shouldn't let that experience color your entire view of people who are in prison.  Some are convicted on false charges.

                There's also a difference between violent criminals before they've been convicted and sentenced for a crime, and ex-convicts who have served their time.  I think it's clear from your comments here that you don't seem to think so.  Is Michael Vick still an animal abuser now that he has served his time for that crime?  You might feel he is -- but the law doesn't think so.

              •  Getting mugged sucks. (0+ / 0-)

                You're far from the only person in this discussion who has been the target of a violent crime, though.

                Justice Brennan Was A Recess Appointment

                by JesseCW on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:24:50 AM PDT

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          •  Most in prison (1+ / 0-)
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            aren't violent offenders.  Nor are they sociopaths.  A minority of the prison and felony population are violent or sociopaths.  

            Just so you know, our sentencing guidelines are seriously skewed.  For example, committing a simple assault is a misdemeanor, not an assault.  It's a felony to have some drugs.  

          •  Am I the only one who remembers what (0+ / 0-)

            "Good, harworking americans" meant during the primary?

            Or the time the speaker slipped, and said what she meant?

            Justice Brennan Was A Recess Appointment

            by JesseCW on Thu Apr 22, 2010 at 01:11:14 AM PDT

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      •  And most Americans (0+ / 0-)

        don't understand the sentencing in the criminal justice system, or what gets treated as a misdemeanor and what gets treated as a felony.

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