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  •  Annoyed by Comparisons To Europe (1+ / 0-)
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    Just because Spain, Germany, or any other country might require papers doesn't mean it's any less fascist to do so.

    In this country, we are innocent until proven guilty. This law turns that burden of evidence on it's ears, demanding that citizens prove to the state that we are innocent. The state does not have the right to force us to do that, nor can we incriminate ourselves.

    Everyone should be presumed innocent until a crime is committed and evidence compels law enforcement to make an arrest. Breathing while Mexican does not constitute probable cause.

    •  EU countries do not "require papers" (0+ / 0-)

      in the sense that the AZ law does. While citizens carry a national ID, there is no law in place (at least not in this day and age) that calls for checking the papers of "suspicious looking" people.

      Europeans show their IDs in the same contexts as Americans show theirs: at liquor stores and night clubs, when paying with checks, or at the voting booth. The police checks IDs of people who are involved in some kind of criminal activity, either as suspects or as witnesses. In this century, random "papers please" does not happen.

      When I took my never-been-anywhere-but-Texas boyfriend to Germany last winter, we went across the border to the Netherlands for a day. No one stopped us at the border, and he was disappointed that he didn't get another stamp in his passport.

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