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  •  I'm troubled by the "abortion is bad" (14+ / 0-)

    so therefore we all must agree that reducing the number is good.

    Excuse me?  I'm not ashamed to come right out and say that abortion is good.  Terminating an unwanted pregnancy is a good thing.  Carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term is a bad thing.

    Some women find the decision difficult, some women don't.  That's neither good, nor bad.  It just is.

    It's an individual woman's decision, not society's decision.

    My dogs think triciawyse is smart and pretty. They think I'm a strange, frumpy woman wth limitless snacks.

    by martydd on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 07:41:29 AM PDT

    •  exactly (4+ / 0-)

      "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

      by Pandoras Box on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 07:46:26 AM PDT

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    •  Shame or a judgment, good or bad, seems.... (5+ / 0-)

      ...wrong to me. It's private and that privacy should be respected.

    •  So You are PRO LIFE! (3+ / 0-)
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      People who understand that Abortions are actually PRO LIFE the sooner we can discuss the issue realistically.

      Disabled Viet Vet ret. My snark is worse than my bite

      by eddieb061345 on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 08:20:04 AM PDT

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    •  But reducing the number would be good (3+ / 0-)
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      provided that abortions were being performed on demand for anyone who wanted or needed one for any reason. In that world, a reduction in the number of abortions would reflect a reduction in the number of unwanted pregnancies, which would be an unmitigated good.

      We don't live in that world, sadly; in the US right now, you can't really draw any conclusions from the number of abortions. Increases or decreases are as likely to be due to access as to demand. And so I don't think we should care about the raw number. But if access were ever guaranteed, then the number would be worth looking at.

      Every horror committed by man begins with the lie that some man is not a man. - Jyrinx

      by kyril on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 08:26:03 AM PDT

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      •  I propose encouraging Abortions is better. (3+ / 0-)
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        Our society has in general accepted the idea that somehow Abortions are bad. This has produced untold unwanted pregnancys with negative ramifacations. There are just to many people taking on the responsibility of having children who would have chosen an Abortion it were considered what it  really is a normal safe medical procedure and no taking of life is involved.

        Disabled Viet Vet ret. My snark is worse than my bite

        by eddieb061345 on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 09:25:04 AM PDT

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        •  I agree (5+ / 0-)

          Do we say appendectomies are bad? No. Obviously if you can avoid appendicitis, great, but if you can't, it's good that a safe procedure exists.

          Sure, we'd rather prevent unwanted pregnancies or prengancies that go wrong. That is self-evident. (It should be pointed out that the opponents of legal abortion oppose everything that can reduce unwanted pregnancy.) But it is good, not bad, that a safe procedure exists when an unwanted pregnancy happens. It is good, not bad, that a woman or couple whose wanted pregancy went terribly wrong can at least have resolution, and are not forced to risk the woman's health giving birth to a child with no chance to live.

          It's not terrible. It's a great boon that this safe procedure exists. What is terrible is that so many women don't have access, and what women do to themselves, and how many die, because they are forced to self abort or to undergo life-threatening pregnancies.

          •  I agree (3+ / 0-)
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            My first diary here was a pro-choice diary, which I've since deleted because it contained enough information for a few people to positively identify me if they saw it. But I told my story: I've given birth (and gave my daughter up for adoption), I've had a legal medical abortion, and I've self-induced an abortion because I couldn't access abortion care while deployed in the Navy, the last of which was the catalyst for me to start writing diaries instead of just lurking. The diary was titled "Why Roe vs. Wade Is Not Enough," and it was an argument for better abortion access, especially for military servicemembers and family.

            I think it's incredibly important that abortion exists and is safe and legal. I don't think "rare" ought to be part of the goal because of how it's misused to restrict access. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pretend that abortions are fun or that they should be encouraged. They should be readily available, on demand, within walking/public transportation distance of every town and neighbourhood, on every military base and every navy ship. They should be readily available even (perhaps especially) to preteens; they should be free to minors, the military, and Medicaid/Medicare recipients, and otherwise priced on a sliding scale until we get universal healthcare. And they should be uniformly available through the maximum gestational age allowed by law, in every state, on demand.

            An abortion should be easier to get than a bottle of beer. But I still take issue with the idea that it's a purely good thing that ought to be encouraged; it's a painful, possibly invasive, potentially dangerous remedy for a largely preventable condition. We need to stop trying to dissuade people who are already pregnant from having abortions, but that doesn't mean we can't encourage people who aren't pregnant yet not to put themselves in a position to need one.

            Every horror committed by man begins with the lie that some man is not a man. - Jyrinx

            by kyril on Wed Apr 28, 2010 at 10:51:31 AM PDT

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