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  •  So, you feel that gays who wish to support (0+ / 0-)

    a gay rights referendum should be forced out of the closet, or forced not to express their support?

    How is that consistent with progressive principles and goals?

    Or, do rights only apply to "our" side?

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    by RandomActsOfReason on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 12:28:24 AM PDT

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    •  You don't have to be gay (3+ / 0-)
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      to support a gay rights referendum.  Just because I sign my name to a petition supporting gay rights does not mean that I am gay.  It just means I support equal treatment for all.

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      by Guy Fawkes on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 03:56:55 AM PDT

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      •  You either missed the point, (0+ / 0-)

        or deliberately deflected it.

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        by RandomActsOfReason on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 09:17:46 AM PDT

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        •  You aren't clear on what you mean. (0+ / 0-)

          So, you feel that gays who wish to support a gay rights referendum should be forced out of the closet, or forced not to express their support?

          I'm not sure what you are saying.

          Signing a petition says little about your own personal life, other than your political views.  People believe lots of things for lots of reasons.  

          •  The point is that people face real consequences (0+ / 0-)

            if their names are revealed publicly. That is an ethical consideration.

            Doing so will reduce the chances of getting progressive initiatives on the ballot. That is a practical consideration.

            Effective government by, of and for the people depends on making it easier, not harder, for citizens to participate in the process.

            Requiring people to run a gauntlet to participate, whether literal or metaphorical, is not consistent with progressive principles. So, that is a principled consideration.

            I fail to see a single way, except an ends justify the means form of hypocrisy and cynicism, that justifies the glee here that meets Scalia's reasoning.

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            by RandomActsOfReason on Fri Apr 30, 2010 at 02:49:43 PM PDT

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