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  •  People please research these things (2+ / 0-)
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    before supporting them, they are truly not for the "best interests" of Americans, unless you are a Pharmaceutical company.

    And this is what they want:

    "Pharmaceutical companies developing new drugs must be protected from companies that may seek to market the ingredients in those drugs as dietary supplements. The marketing of such products has the potential to undermine the incentive for the development of new drugs because many people may choose to purchase the supplements rather than the drugs."

    So, in other words, we can't have natural products that may actually help us because the Pharmaceutical companies think they deserve to the right to sell us garbage.

    Look at the history before agreeing, please!

    Back in 2007 when Sen Ted Kennedy gave Big Pharma his dying bequest... what it wanted most, more power — as Dr Ron Paul puts it, "to abuse" — we warned everyone that the FDA could not be trusted. That was when we had been told by various politicians – and even some misguided "health freedom groups" that it wasn’t "necessary" to have protective language added to the Kennedy "FDA Enabling Act" because, after all, they solemnly (and naively) assured us in DC, dietary supplements were not even mentioned in the bill. We said we didn’t trust FDA and that we wanted Dietary Supplements and Natural Remedies protected from enhanced FDA power. We persisted – YOU persisted – and we prevailed in the conference committee, with the help of hundreds of thousands of your emails, in keeping Section 1011, which exempted, and thus protected, dietary supplements, in the bill.

    Nonetheless, within a year or so of that bill passing, FDA used its new Section 301(11)* power to ban interstate commerce in any food substance that had ever been studied for medical use in order to ban Pyridoxamine, a non-toxic form of vitamin B6. What gives the FDA the power to do this? Can you imagine why the Congress of the United States would believe it had Constitutional authority to deny food substances to any free people? Perhaps to perpetuate a Pharmopoly (pharmaceutical monopoly...)? Corruption and bribery, campaign funding and favors, perhaps? From the largest single lobbying force in the United States, perhaps? Conflict of interest, perhaps? Hmmmmm...

    So in January of 2009, Pyridoxamine was banned. That’s right, banned. A natural, non patentable, safe and historically proven vitamin was banned to the American public. Despite its long history of safe use as a dietary supplement, it was not protected by section 1011 because, FDA says, no one "proved" it was grandfathered under DSHEA (the Dietary Supplement Health and Eduction Act of 1994)... and just because the substance was on the Old Ingredients List didn’t prove anything, blah, blah, blah... (Substances on the Old Ingredient list had always been considered grandfathered in under DSHEA, which holds that nutrients and supplements are to be treated as foods and, as such, cannot be limited or banned unless they are unsafe.)

    Again, why would we give a Federal Agency that has been run by the very people it was meant to control?

    Michael Taylor, former attorney for Monsanto!

    Dangerous stuff, please don't buy into the hype and lies, please!

    Do research before it's too late, fight this!

    •  wow, just wow (0+ / 0-)

      thread hijack maybe.

      1.  who is "they", am I part of "them"
      1.  I don't remember posting anything about Big Pharma or dietary supplements.

             If this bill addresses those points then I would ask you for some citation              

      "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -6.75, -6.26

      by gravlax on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 10:19:57 PM PDT

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      •  So sorry, here (2+ / 0-)
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        Food Freedom

        ← SCOTUS may gut NEPA in GMO case Monsanto v Geertson Seed Co-op Proves that the Poor Can Eat Organic, Too →
        S 510 is hissing in the grass
        April 24, 2010 · 86 Comments

        By Steve Green

        S 510, the Food Safety Modernization Act of 2010,  may be the most dangerous bill in the history of the US. It is to our food what the bailout was to our economy, only we can live without money.

        "If accepted [S 510] would preclude the public’s right to grow, own, trade, transport, share, feed and eat each and every food that nature makes.  It will become the most offensive authority against the cultivation, trade and consumption of food and agricultural products of one’s choice. It will be unconstitutional and contrary to natural law or, if you like, the will of God."  ~Dr. Shiv Chopra, Canada Health whistleblower

        It is similar to what India faced with imposition of the salt tax during British rule, only S 510 extends control over all food in the US, violating the fundamental human right to food.

        I have no intentions of "highjacking your diary", but please give people the whole truth, there is a raging controversy over these so-called "food safety bills".

        With all due respect.

        •  maybe that was a little harsh (3+ / 0-)
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          no harm intended and apologies extended.  I was actually in the process of writing a response to my own posting that ameliorated the language and proffered an apology.

          I would suggest however that the Tester Amendment is an important thing here.  I believe that it addresses a lot of these issues.  I actually came across the article that you cited and it doesn't take the Tester amendment into account.

          I'm not trying to give only part of the truth.  If there are any gaps between my take on the issue and the whole truth then they are the result of my failing to understand.  I am not trying to present myself as an ultimate authority, just another person trying to make some sense of it all.

          I agree that there is a raging controversy.  I'm just trying to bring a part of that to a larger audience.  I do not think that this is a perfect bill.  I just know that there are issues that it addresses which are close to my heart,

          As to the "hijack" thing.  I truly am sorry about that and wish I hadn't written it.  I think it raised my hackles when I thought that I was being lumped into a "them" category.  All due respect in return.

          "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -6.75, -6.26

          by gravlax on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 10:34:20 PM PDT

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          •  I agree. The Tester Amendment is very important (3+ / 0-)
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            and, from what I understand, should be included. However, I'm not sure I'm for this bill in the first place. Still learning.

            "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

            by Battle4Seattle on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 10:46:04 PM PDT

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          •  Thanks, these "food safety bills" scare the (3+ / 0-)
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            Heck out of me. As a trained Chef and certified "food safety" manager here in NY. I see the real dangers everyday.

            People not taking the time to wash their veggies from the supermarket, even the ones that are in the cello bags and claim they are cleaned.

            Remember a bunch of people got sick years ago from spinach and two children died....had they just washed the spinach it would never had happened.

            Trying to find truly organic produce is almost impossible these days, unless I drive 40 miles out of the city and go directly to the farmers themselves.

            Upstate NY is well known for its small farms and farmers and they can't afford all the tags or RFID's for all their farm animals. Or the paperwork involved, they can be fined up to what, $500,000 for each violation?

            The horror of Food Inc are very real, and years ago I was tested by friends to see if I could or would continue to eat meat if I went to a slaughter house, well I went to one and took a tour. The conditions in the big agri-businesses will not be stopped.  The cross contamination, the rodent feces and tracks, the unsanitary slaughter line was sickening.

            I stopped eating meat.

            These conditions will not be changed or halted, we'll just create another bureaucracy that will want to be "fed"...

            •  I don't think this bill will stop those things. (2+ / 0-)
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              However, I do believe this country is starting to pay attention to these critical issues, and change is possible. Yes, since I was a child factory farming has existed and expanded, but at least now there are alternatives.

              "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

              by Battle4Seattle on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 11:01:12 PM PDT

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            •  Do you know if farm animals are ever microchipped (2+ / 0-)
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              ? I'm very concerned about that b/c there is good evidence microchips cause tumors/cancers at the site of microchips in dogs and cats, who are regularly chipped. I also read recently that the USDA will not require cloned animals to be labeled (when they become food products)--pretty horrifying. I want to know! How do you guys feel?

              "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

              by Battle4Seattle on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 11:03:58 PM PDT

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              •  I heard the same re: cloned animals (2+ / 0-)
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                and I have to agree that I am horrified by the concept as well.  I would certainly shout at the top of my lungs for the right to know whether my food came from a cloned animal.  I'm a moderate but I'm not crazy.  That issue is too important.

                As to tumors and chips i can't say that I know much about it.  All I know is that my sister is a vet and all 4 of her pets have the chip embedded.  I do not believe that she would do that if she felt that the risk of cancer was too great.  These are some seriously well cared for animals.

                "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -6.75, -6.26

                by gravlax on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 11:10:54 PM PDT

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                •  My cat's chipped too, although she was "made" (2+ / 0-)
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                  that way before I rescued her from a shelter. What happens is that many pets die of cancer, but autopsies are not done (or shared, at least). Some owners, who have had their pets autopsied, have, indeed, found large tumors at the chip site.

                  I just wondered if livestock are actually chipped. I hope not--and if there's any talk of doing it, it should be thoroughly studied first. Otherwise, we might be "eating" animals with cancer we knowingly give them. Um, evil?

                  "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

                  by Battle4Seattle on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 11:19:08 PM PDT

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                  •  My guess (2+ / 0-)
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                    is that livestock isn't chipped only because the conditions in which they are raised don't really allow them to get away.  Without that opportunity there is no real need for a chip.  I'm not standing up for corporations but they wouldn't separate from a dime that they didn't have to.

                    I certainly will ask my sister about the cancer at the chip site phenomenon

                    "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -6.75, -6.26

                    by gravlax on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 11:22:44 PM PDT

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                    •  I'd love to hear her take on it. It's an (2+ / 0-)
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                      important issue, especially for those of us who dearly love our pets.

                      "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

                      by Battle4Seattle on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 11:26:00 PM PDT

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                    •  If I remember correctly (1+ / 0-)
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                      One of these "food safety bills" allowed for big businesses to buy 1 tag for every 1000 heads of animals...where as smaller family run farms would have to buy one for each animal and I think they ranged from $20 to $100...

                      So, my best guess would be the tag would be only a "symbol" of safety and not any actual benefits to it, except raising funds for this new "agency".

                      Imagine having to buy a tag for a chicken within 3 days of it's birth and if you don't you could be socked with a $500,000 fine. And the chicken is only worth $3 per. That wouldn't help us in this economy...imagine paying $40 or $50 dollars per pound for a chicken.

                      •  I was just scanning the bill, and the fees can be (2+ / 0-)
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                        enormous. Wow.

                        This is interesting:


                        (a) In General- The Secretary shall establish offices of the Food and Drug Administration in foreign countries selected by the Secretary, to provide assistance to the appropriate governmental entities of such countries with respect to measures to provide for the safety of articles of food and other products regulated by the Food and Drug Administration exported by such country to the United States, including by directly conducting risk-based inspections of such articles and supporting such inspections by such governmental entity.

                        I like this section:

                        SEC. 1012. WHISTLEBLOWER PROTECTIONS.

                        (a) In General- No entity engaged in the manufacture, processing, packing, transporting, distribution, reception, holding, or importation of food may discharge an employee or otherwise discriminate against an employee with respect to compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment because the employee, whether at the employee's initiative or in the ordinary course of the employee's duties (or any person acting pursuant to a request of the employee)--

                        `(1) provided, caused to be provided, or is about to provide or cause to be provided to the employer, the Federal Government, or the attorney general of a State information relating to any violation of, or any act or omission the employee reasonably believes to be a violation of any provision of this Act or any order, rule, regulation, standard, or ban under this Act, or any order, rule, regulation, standard, or ban under this Act;

                        `(2) testified or is about to testify in a proceeding concerning such violation;

                        `(3) assisted or participated or is about to assist or participate in such a proceeding; or

                        `(4) objected to, or refused to participate in, any activity, policy, practice, or assigned task that the employee (or other such person) reasonably believed to be in violation of any provision of this Act, or any order, rule, regulation, standard, or ban under this Act.


                        I definitely think whistleblowers concerned about our food safety should be 100% protected. Of course, the administration is currently pursuing lots of whistelblowers, so . . .

                        "[K]now that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy." -Barack Obama

                        by Battle4Seattle on Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 11:43:56 PM PDT

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              •  Frightened, in a word (2+ / 0-)
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                Cloned food...we don't know the results of gmo veggies...

                From what I've read, and I'm not an expert either, but the chipping of animals would be the RFID tags,I don't know if they would be implanted or a piercing tag in the animals ear.

                I too read that the RFID chips in dogs and cats cause tumors too.

                Labeling is big for me personally. If I know something is gmo, or irradiated or ammonia added, then I can chose not to buy it. As it stands, we're truly in the dark. Remember the USDA wouldn't allow people to market their milk as non-RGBH because the companies that did use the hormone felt it was casting a bad light on their products....

                So, the real question is who does the USDA and the FDA work for us or the corporations....

                Wait, don't answer that, we already know that answer...dang it!

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