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  •  In shanghai we have lots of electrics. (5+ / 0-)

    One runs down the cross street near my house (No. 24 line) and I ride it almost daily.

    I think the overhead wire issue is really nonsense, unless you are looking for them, they aren't really noticeable and it provides some work for some nice people how trim the branches and maintain the lines. Want to know what works great? Tree lined streets that canopy over the side lanes conceling the wires and shading the walkways, which also lower surface temperature in summer, windbreak in autumn, supress street noise and convert CO2 to breathable air. Brilliant invention, the tree.

    Generally I prefer electrics that run on tracks, but on surface streets without enough space for dedicated lines, electric buses work great and are a whole buch quieter tham desil.

    Wed April 21 07:49 - a moment of silence for Qinghai Earthquake Victims

    by koNko on Sat May 01, 2010 at 06:46:40 AM PDT

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    •  tracked costs 10x or more per km (2+ / 0-)
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      to install than does overhead wiring. Plus it's much more difficult and expensive to change routes.  And with modern electricity storage overhead trolleys could get off the wire for short temporary reroutes due to street repair or construction.  And while tracked steel-on-steel transport is more energy efficient, it is also noisier than rubber tires on road surfaces.

      •  I agree electric buses are flexible (0+ / 0-)

        But unless they have dedicated lanes (ours do not have) they are subject to traffic jams so in urban situations I think the combination of Metros and Buses works best.

        Basically, my choices are usually:

        :: 10 minutes walk or less - walk
        :: more then 10 minutes - bike
        :: local surface transport - bus/electric bus
        :: mid/long distance - Metro

        In Shanghai basic fares are:

        :: Bus RMB 2 for first entry, RMB 1 for tansfer from bus or Metro
        :: Metro RMB 3 - 6 depending distance

        My daily commute to work is:

        RMB 4 Metro + RMB 1 Bus x 2 = RMB 10, about US$1.50

        So my monthly is about US$ 40 but with other trips I estimate about US$ 60.

        A car would be many times that.

        I think in US a car with insurance and fuel is at least several hundred USD, in China it would be about the same (car and gas more expensive, insurance cheaper).

        Wed April 21 07:49 - a moment of silence for Qinghai Earthquake Victims

        by koNko on Mon May 03, 2010 at 09:41:48 AM PDT

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