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  •  Agree 1 billion percent (18+ / 0-)

    "Children lack morality, but they also lack fake morality." Mignon McLaughlin

    by djbender on Mon May 03, 2010 at 12:48:34 PM PDT

    •  Agree to infinity ... (8+ / 0-)

      And, dude, does that fit on the head of a pin?

      The Republican brand: "Consequences, schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich"

      by D in Northern Virginia on Mon May 03, 2010 at 12:49:59 PM PDT

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    •  Kos is stopping short of the major implication (10+ / 0-)

      That OUR marijuana prohibition laws are creaing this very situation.

      Every person who lifts a finger to stop the reform of these STUPID laws IS supporting violent organized crime.

      Legalize and regulate the Herb, bitches, or watch the violence get worse.

      Those are your only choices.

      (Well, you could be politicians and try to implement all manner of half-assed, unrelated things, but that falls on the side of nurturing the enemy - organized crime.)

      Torture good, Healthcare bad, Marijuana evil.
      Doc in the Twitterverse

      by xxdr zombiexx on Mon May 03, 2010 at 01:11:06 PM PDT

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    •  Wrong on one MAJOR point... (0+ / 0-)

      But the drug issue has nothing to do with the immigration issue. Drug runners aren't crossing the border looking to get jobs mowing lawns, and demanding to see immigration papers at a Tucson bus stop won't make a dent in the drug cartels.

      Drug smuggling and illegal immigration are attached-at-the-hip; one-and-the-same.  The reason is painfully simple:

      The men that are hired by the Mexican drug cartels are not in the drug business. They are in the smuggling business!  They are paid (very well) for bringing illegal cargo across the border.  It doesn't matter if the cargo is Marijuana, Cocaine, Heroin, or Human Beings.

      Mexicans who wish to cross into the US illegally often do not run across by themselves.  Where will they stay?  How will they find a job?  How will they survive crossing hundreds of miles of scorching desert on their own?  

      Immigrants will usually employ a Coyote (human smuggler) to get them safely across the border.  Usually, this trip will end in one of hundreds of drop-houses, sometimes filled with dozens of other illegal immigrants.  From here, they assume that they will be set up with a job, and begin pursuing their own "American Dream".

      It often does not pan out this way.

      The cost of a Coyote's service runs from the thousands to the tens-of-thousands of dollars.  Immigrants might find themselves in a type of indentured servitude to the men who smuggled them.  If the immigrant has family stateside, the bill may be paid in cash.  Unfortunately, if a family has enough to pay for a trip across the border, they likely also have the cash to pay for the ransom of their relative when the Coyote decides to triple the cost of their services.  What happens if they don't pay?  The immigrant may be released missing an ear or a couple of fingers.  If the immigrant is female, the Coyote and some of his friends might find another way of squaring the tab.  Or, they'll just be driven out to the desert and shot in the head.

      Every crime associated with drug smuggling applies to human smuggling as well.  Just 5 years ago, two rival gangs got into a rush-hour firefight with assault rifles on the I-10.  They weren't arguing over cocaine.  They were arguing over people.  A smuggler will defend $50,000 worth of illegal immigrants just as violently as he will defend $50,000 of Heroin.

      Please, stop spreading the fallacy that the two issues are not related.  They are inseparable!

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