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  •  I disagree - Kos nailed it (7+ / 0-)

    That law IS about ethnic cleansing.

    America STARTED ethnic cleansing with the genocide against the Natives.

    America has been in the ethnic cleansing business for generations.

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    by xxdr zombiexx on Mon May 03, 2010 at 01:15:30 PM PDT

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    •  These people are not being (1+ / 0-)
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      lined up and killed.  

      •  That is not ethnic cleansing (5+ / 0-)

        necessarily. Do not argue against a definition that you do not understand. Genocide is when people are lined up and killed. Ethnic cleansing is any of many policies that a government can pursue to drive people of a certain ethnicity out of a certain area, up to and including violence, but instituting police repression, using particular laws to single out particular ethnic groups, and promoting racism are all other ways that a government can practice ethnic cleansing.

        The end result of this law is that Latinos will be harassed by law enforcement, and even US citizens will probably want to move out of Arizona. I think Kos is fully justified calling this ethnic cleansing. I think we should use that term in order to help our fellow Americans understand the gravity of this situation.

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        by Lost Left Coaster on Mon May 03, 2010 at 01:29:28 PM PDT

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        •  Fair enough, but does it matter (2+ / 0-)
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          at all that many people are here illegally?  It is not so much ethnic cleansing as removal of criminals.  And, as hard as it may be to admit for some here, they are criminals.  They have broken laws of our country.

          How to stop it is a problem, but just leaving them here, unpunished, is not the answer.  It can not be the answer, else all other laws are meaningless too.

          The illegality of 75% of the first group of people that were arrested that makes "ethnic cleansing" a bad phrase to use.

          •  It is ethnic cleansing (1+ / 0-)
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            does it matter at all that many people are here illegally?  It is not so much ethnic cleansing as removal of criminals.

            No.
            The law targets people who look like illegal immigrants-- Hispanics. Anyone that looks Mexican is a potential target for harassment by police. That includes American citizens.
            The law is designed to push brown people out of Aryanzona.

            AG Holder is obstructing justice by actively refusing investigation of war crimes.

            by cybersaur on Mon May 03, 2010 at 02:51:34 PM PDT

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    •  It may be a more nuanced cleansing than (1+ / 0-)
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      what we saw in Bosnia or elsewhere. Essentially it is true that they may not want to eliminate the immigrants (read darker skin that speaks English with an accent or - gasp - speaks Spanish!), but they sure want to put them in their place (i.e. working for a pittance and alienating them to make sure they do not vote - regardless of legal status).

      On a separate note: I know the exploitation of these Hispanics is not anywhere near the institution of Slavery we had here until 100 years ago, but one similarity is that the slave owners didn't want to eliminate the slaves, just to keep them subjugated. Now isn't that the same that these xenophobes want of Hispanics? (essentially to accept their place and be ready to pay the consequences, all the while providing cheap labor than enriches many of the xenophobes)

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Mon May 03, 2010 at 01:36:59 PM PDT

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    •  I oppose the law, BUT... (0+ / 0-)

      Let's see how many legal brown skinned people get deported.

      I'm guessing very, very few.

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