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  •  OH my gawd nit picky are we... he is a sell (0+ / 0-)

    out and a UNCLE and I am not afraid to say... What an integrity depreciated wimp he is not...

    NOW WHAT... you won't find me back tracking...

    •  I do find it remarkable how (8+ / 0-)

      many of us here have no problem using racist terms for black Republicans, and sexist terms for female Republicans.

      I seriously don't care what you are or aren't afraid to say. I find it offensive for someone to just blurt out that the guy's an "uncle tom".

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      by JohnGor0 on Tue May 04, 2010 at 04:26:39 PM PDT

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      •  A black man working for Fox News is a sellout (3+ / 0-)
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        Honestly, its hard to view someone who is working for the same network as Glenn Beck - a network that also pushes the Teabaggers as not racially motivated...I mean, wtf is that.

        Fox is aiding, abetting and supporting a) conservative policies, which are disproportionately bad for all non-whites, b) the GOP, whose policies are disproportionately bad for non-whites, c) the frickin' teabaggers, who are completely freaked out at a black president no matter how much they deny it.

        I don't consider the term "Uncle Tom" to be polite. But that doesn't mean it's wrong.

        "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton | http://ideaddicted.blogspot.com

        by jbeach on Tue May 04, 2010 at 04:46:07 PM PDT

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        •  Hey, I hate Fox (4+ / 0-)
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          agree with you on everything you say about Fox.

          The n-word is impolite, also. And that wouldn't make it right.

          Seriously, his skin color really shouldn't set rules on the decisions he's supposed to make in life. Isn't that the point? If he decides to engage in the Big Lie, that's his business, and should be judged on being a propagandist. Not a black propagandist.

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          by JohnGor0 on Tue May 04, 2010 at 04:59:48 PM PDT

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          •  Uncle Tom does not at all compare to n-word (3+ / 0-)
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            Calling someone an Uncle Tom is calling someone a hypocrite. It's specifically an African-American hypocrite who's selling out other African-Americans - but it's not running down black people or applying racism to them (or anyone) as a class.

            "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton | http://ideaddicted.blogspot.com

            by jbeach on Tue May 04, 2010 at 05:19:49 PM PDT

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            •  I think it does (1+ / 0-)
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              It assigns a behavior to black people that they're supposed to adhere to. If they don't, they get labeled as being a traitor to their community.

              And it's not about being a hypocrite, or selling out other African-Americans.

              The term has very strong ramifications of being the house negro, a slave who shuffles and grovels at the feet of white people to get a slightly more prestigious position that is still within the heirarchy of slaves.

              I am unaware of the term being weakened to mean a black guy who isn't cool, basically. And like the modernized "Nigga", or "oreo", I, as a white man, do not think it appropriate for a white guy to use those terms, as I don't really have the experience to judge whether a black guy's trying to pass, or humiliate himself to ingratiate himself to white people.

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              by JohnGor0 on Tue May 04, 2010 at 06:11:18 PM PDT

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              •  You're entitled to your opinion. (0+ / 0-)

                First, if it isn't already obvious, I'm white too. So I understand this can be an easily misunderstood term for me to use.

                So if any African-Americans who read this ARE offended by my use of this term, please let me know and I'll make good or stop using it.

                But I think that expecting a behavior for African-Americans, that they don't sell each other out, is not a bad thing.

                And I personally think that "Uncle Tom" and "house Negro" are useful and descriptive terms for some African-Americans who have engaged in very destructive behavior against the interests of other African-Americans, to gain the approval of white conservatives.

                I think that this Fox News Shill IS a traitor to the Black community. Not for asking tough questions - but for asking BS talking-points questions for a crap conservatainment outlet like Fox.

                Go-to loony token GOP Alan Colmes similarly deserves particular attention as a house Negro. As well as Justice Thomas.

                Although for sure, in more compassionate terms I really think they should be viewed as tragic examples of Stockholm syndrome.

                But in any case, we disagree here. I don't see either of these terms as racist. The only way they wouldn't be appropriate is if the subject was not selling out African-Americans.

                "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton | http://ideaddicted.blogspot.com

                by jbeach on Tue May 04, 2010 at 06:50:03 PM PDT

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                •  Well, I'm not calling you racist... (2+ / 0-)
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                  and I'm not saying you using those terms is racist, or makes you a racist.

                  I'm not in the black community. I don't think it's my place to figure out who's selling out blacks, and who's not. A black preacher who is very conservative, even GOP, but who organizes after-school activities, knows every teenager's name in the neighborhood, and will give his life to make sure each and every kid reaches the age of 21 - is he selling out his community?

                  However, I have political stances. I think Alan Keyes is a dolt. I find Michael Steele disappointing. I would never refer to Michael Steele as a house negro.

                  I would think, moreso than being offensive, that language degrades me, not him. Were I to think in terms of "Michael Steele - the slave who grovels for approval", when the guy is way more accomplished than I am, and has probably helped thousands more people than I will ever touch in my lifetime, frankly, would embarrass me.

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                  by JohnGor0 on Tue May 04, 2010 at 07:14:40 PM PDT

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                  •  Are you saying I shouldn't be judgemental? : ) (2+ / 0-)
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                    You have a point there.

                    It just so angers me when I see people being full of shit, like that. But sitting in judgement of others like that is also of course, in another way, being full of shit - I have no perfect idea of appropriate behavior myself. The world isn't even in shades of grey, it's in full color and 4d besides.

                    But I guess I can be mature if I feel like it. I'm just not going to make it a total rule. : )

                    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton | http://ideaddicted.blogspot.com

                    by jbeach on Tue May 04, 2010 at 09:00:32 PM PDT

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                    •  Hey, the guy's a jagoff (2+ / 0-)
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                      and represents bad interests. He is using his role as a journalist to slip garbage into the news cycle.

                      He's also a pompass jerk, who persists in his lie, even when called on it. Yes, he is full of shit.

                      And on top of it, he makes Al Roker look like James Brown.

                      Hey, we had an argument, and we're not googling each other to find and beat each other up! That's cool!

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                      by JohnGor0 on Wed May 05, 2010 at 07:52:10 AM PDT

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      •  I Don't care if they (2+ / 1-)
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        are Republicans, Democrats or people who do not have any party affiliation.... I just call them as I see them..

        I don't necessarily think Michael Steele is a sellout, I just think he is a buffoon who just wants to have fun with the homies.... I don't think Ken Blackwell is a sellout, I just think he is corrupt... Nor do I think J.C. Watts or Don King are sellouts... Once again, one is corrupt, that being Don King and who knows why J.C. Watts choose to be a republican but I don't view him as being a sellout...

        And I don't think the female senators from Alaska or Texas are idiots  but I would pin that more on the GOP Women in the House....And when you talk about Sexist, it’s the GOP who promote their looks  while telling Democratic Women to get back in the kitchen or to know there place.... I don’t think the Sexist Remarks can be easily labeled against democrats, but I do view your point with more credibility when it comes to talking about Blacks being Republicans and the stigma of a Sellout or Uncle Tom being attached to that choice....

        But in this case, this reporter needs no defending....

        This Reporter is in "MY" opinion  a Sell-out, an Uncle Tom and or even worst a House Negro...

        •  Fair enough (4+ / 0-)

          but in "my" opinion, the term offends me.

          Rip that guy a new one, and call him a rat soup-eatin', barnyard, insecure, high-steppin' Uncle Tom, for all I care.

          But I find UT offensive.

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          by JohnGor0 on Tue May 04, 2010 at 05:02:56 PM PDT

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        •  And it is still offensive and unbecoming (1+ / 0-)
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          Of this community to use such terminology.   How would you react if someone here called President Obama those terms and claimed it was just their opinion.

          Golden rule.

          "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

          by justmy2 on Tue May 04, 2010 at 05:37:42 PM PDT

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          •  I would (0+ / 0-)

            ask them to provide proof... and then let the debate begin..

          •  Even the person who is taking offense (0+ / 0-)

            to the word Uncle Tom is behaving more maturely than you are....

            •  Did you reply to the correct (0+ / 0-)

              Comment, because as far as I can tell I took offense as well and I am baffled by what you deem immature.

              I am assuming you  responded to the wrong comment.

              "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

              by justmy2 on Tue May 04, 2010 at 10:12:03 PM PDT

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              •  NOPE YOU'RE THE CORRECT PERSON (0+ / 0-)
                •  Ok, (1+ / 0-)
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                  In that case, your comment makes zero sense.  

                  I would suggest that you read the FAQ, and then read the definition of immaturity, because your assessment is very off base.

                  I will give you the benefit of the doubt as a new member of the community.  Please read the FAQ when you get a chance regarding what is appropriate for hide rating and why it is critical to self police offensive language and comments.

                  Also, as a note, all caps is also considered rude.  Please make a note of it.

                  Thanks for joining the community and I look forward to discussing various topics with you.

                  "Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists" - President Obama, March 31

                  by justmy2 on Wed May 05, 2010 at 06:23:57 AM PDT

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