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  •  not all dictionaries begin with that definition (1+ / 0-)
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    and I refuse to allow the word to be coopted in such a fashion.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Wed May 05, 2010 at 09:27:04 AM PDT

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    •  In fact all dictionaries do. Websters below. (2+ / 0-)
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      RandomActsOfReason, Lonely Texan

      The entire point of dictionaries is to provide the actual meaning of words so that people do not do what you do and misuse the word. What is more disturbing is that you willfully misuse it since you know that in a political context it means exactly what the dictionaries state and not what you try and twist it mean.

      A bad lesson.

      Main Entry: fun·da·men·tal·ism
      Pronunciation: -tə-ˌli-zəm\
      Function: noun
      Date: 1922

      1 a often capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b : the beliefs of this movement c : adherence to such beliefs
      2 : a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism>

      •  All dictionaries do not (0+ / 0-)

        and unless you can cite every single English dictionary, making a universal statement such as you did is easily disprovable.  As it happens, two of the first 3 I checked did not list the religious meaning first.

        And whether or not it is listed first is irrelevant, so long as one regular finds the meaning that I am using, which in fact most dictionaries do.

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Wed May 05, 2010 at 10:47:45 AM PDT

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        •  Exceptions do not make definitions. (1+ / 0-)
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          Point of dictionaries is to define a COMMON meaning for word.

          If one dictionary disagrees with majority then it is pointless.

          To this context, you purposely chose the WRONG definition since in political discussion FUNDAMENTALISM precisely refers to Christian religious fundamentalists.

          I understand the attempt to be cute and play on words but it serves no purpose other than to mislead similar to Fox News claiming it reports "facts" when it reports its own "rumours" as facts.

          Political discourse needs more precision not more muddying of already muddy waters where "conservative" means right wing extremists who are anything but conservative and "liberal" means whatever Fox News opinionator decides it means at that moment.

          •  no, I chose to emphasis another meaning (1+ / 0-)
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            precisely because the commonly applied meaning is too limiting.  And that is how language usage begins to change, as even the meaning of this word has over time.

            Interesting that most people seem to understand precisely what I am doing.

            The use of language has political implications.  I chose that word deliberately, and have explained my reasoning both within the diary and in multiple comments on this thread.  That you do not agree does not necessarily mean you are correct and I am wrong, since in fact your focus on language is different than mine.

            do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

            by teacherken on Wed May 05, 2010 at 11:06:57 AM PDT

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            •  No. You chose to apply out of context meaning. (0+ / 0-)
              Wrongly. If you are teacher, please be sure to emphasize to kids to use words correctly in context.
            •  the word is long long past (0+ / 0-)

              the time where we get to decide not to let it be co-opted.  I must agree with your few critics, Ken, that using words in a political discussion where the meaning was very clear and you insist it doesn't mean what we all know it means, or did yesterday, is confusing, and it is deliberate.  And fundamentalism  is a word that means BAD stuff.  Maybe you like it, but it is now a negative word.

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