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  •  I'm not seeing it (2+ / 0-)
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    DCCyclone, Ahianne

    Not voting in a primary (1) doesn't actually demonstrate that voters are abandoning the party, and (2) doesn't appear to do anything to "clean up" the party regardless. So I don't really understand your sense of vindication.

    Wouldn't it be more impressive to point to some Democratic reform candidates who won?

    •  The machine defeated most of the insurgents (0+ / 0-)

      The machine won, locking its hold on the party in most of the state, but dooming the party to disaster.

      The "reform" candidates, the insurgents, now have to regroup to decide their course of action, but it won't be in the Democratic Party this cycle. That option was foreclosed yesterday.

      No matter what anyone demands or implores, a large decisive fraction of Democrats will now step back and watch the ODP self-destruct. Then we'll rebuild it from the ashes. We have no other option.

      There are exceptions in some enclaves of the state, where the machine has been beaten back.

      "Politics: The conduct of public affairs for private advantage." -- Ambrose Bierce

      by Ohiobama on Wed May 05, 2010 at 07:39:47 AM PDT

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      •  Do you have any info on central committee (1+ / 0-)
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        TBH, I looked up and down various websites trying to find info on the central committee candidates and found diddly.  Even the local progressive caucus in our county didn't have any info on our candidates or any endorsements.  If we're going to topple the state party machine, we're going to be needing to push at the base first, apparently.

        I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken. - Oliver Cromwell

        by Ezekial 23 20 on Wed May 05, 2010 at 07:53:41 AM PDT

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        •  Unfortunately, big names won (1+ / 0-)
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          People like former congresswoman Mary Rose Oakar and Lee fisher's wife Peggy, candidates like that. People go for the familiar name. I had frantic calls in my district about "Who ARE these people?" We voted in a total clown – the one guy I told people to NOT vote for — because he's been around politics here forever and was a longtime city councilman. At least he lost his state leg. primary to a smart, savvy guy who's run for mayor of Cleveland twice. Some might look at him as a sort of gadfly/perennial candidate but i think he's going to be a good legislator (It's a district no Republican can get elected so he's locked the race).

        •  Of course we start at the base (1+ / 0-)
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          We start by electing mayors and county commissioners, controlling territory.

          Let the Politburo crumble and take the blame for the disaster that's about to happen. Use that to win local offices.

          Step by step.

          No support to Redfern and crew.

          "Politics: The conduct of public affairs for private advantage." -- Ambrose Bierce

          by Ohiobama on Wed May 05, 2010 at 09:22:29 AM PDT

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      •  Krikorian wasn't about reform (1+ / 0-)
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        You can't talk about how he donated all this money to Strickland as evidence of his Democratic bona fides, but then lament him as an anti-Strickland reformer.

        You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.  As usual.

        •  The Party Unity Man Speaks! (0+ / 0-)

          Nostalgic for running against Krikorian are we?

          You now OWN Yalamanchili! LOL

          "Politics: The conduct of public affairs for private advantage." -- Ambrose Bierce

          by Ohiobama on Thu May 06, 2010 at 03:17:24 AM PDT

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