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  •  Turkish Analogy is highly flawed (2+ / 0-)
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    lotlizard, esquimaux

    I can only give anecdotal evidence, but I had a lot of German friends, and sad as it is to say they almost universally dislike Turkish immigrants. They talk about it all the time, even though it annoys me when they do.

    I also met some Germans of Turkish descent and at least those that I have met haven't integrated terribly well into German society. Almost every Turkish German I met got angry if you called them German, and was adamant that they were "Turkish, but born/live in Germany."

    This is the big problem with allowing "guest workers." They're invited in, but they are seen by the current inhabitants as "temporary workers," who are expected to return to their country of origin once the "temporary" worker shortage eases. Because of this they don't really integrate into society and aren't accepted by the locals, resulting in problems when the "temporary" shortage isn't so temporary after all.

    •  "Guest workers" see themselves as "temporary" (1+ / 0-)
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      until they realize they are not going anywhere. Unfortunately, in their countries of origin, they don't fit in either.

    •  Citizenship differences key to understanding (0+ / 0-)

      In America, being born here is enough to be an American and have American citizenship.  Not so in Europe.  Most European countries (and I think most others) grant citizenship at birth only on those with parents who have that citizenship.  The children of Turkish immigrants are Turkish citizens, not German.

      Additionally, ethnicity in Europe is treated very differently than America.  Here we're white, black, asian, etc.  In Europe you are English, Irish, French, Ulsterian, etc.

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